Mike is right. You have to go to VoiceOver Utility to switch from one
mode to the other and back. And quite frankly, I'm not sure that this
will be rectified in Snow Leopard, the next OS release. Richie
Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska.
On Sep 11, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
There is no quick way to switch modes that I know of, you will need
to change it in the voice over utility.
On Sep 11, 2008, at 7:16 AM, UCLA Bruins Fan wrote:
How do you switch to group mode? Is there a way to switch quickly
from one mode to another?
On Sep 11, 2008, at 4:13 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
Frankly, I don't use it, however, I have before, and know what it
is and how to do it.
Basicly, what the idea is behind groups mode, is it basicly takes
certain items together, on a web page, and what it tries to do,
basicly, is to group them together into one large clustered item.
Here: let me give you an example. I think that'll make it easier.
Let's say, for sake of example, that you are on a page, o, I dono,
well, ok, we'll just say, heck, the Apple's main web site. OK,
you may have a ton of links that are related. now, as for the
html coding side a this? I haven't a clue! how that they tag
this, so that voice over knows what's a group, that would be cool
to learn. Anyway, so, you're voing through the page, and all a
sudden, you may hear something like:
Group: link: home, Link: back, link: next.
OK, now you vo say, down the page again, now you hear search edit
text.
So basicly, in one voice over command, you jumped over all 3 of
thohse links. It grouped them all 3 into one item that voice over
sees as a group.
So, let's say we wanted to click the next link, in that group.
So, you're already obviously interacting with the html content.
Well, this is gonna be a nested interaction basicly. Think of the
group as a frame. It's not, so don't confuse yourself, but I'm
having you think that way, as you're gonna work the same way with
it. when you vo back up and hear that group, and what is in it,
then, interact with that group. Then once you are working in that
group, it's like normal. vo around, get to the next link, then do
your vo space.
Groups navigation, basicly also makes it good, cause you can hear
larger chunks of the page in one go with a voice over navigation
direction. Sometimes you may only get half a sentence in one
item. Well by grouping, that also may or may not happen, however
you stand a lesser chance of it. I guess I personally don't use
it, as nested navigation, at least to me, gets me confused. I
forget what the last thing was I interacted with, and to
breadcrumb my way back to where I began, can be a little weird.
grouping just helps you jump through pages more quickly as it
consolidates each group of items into there own, if that makes any
sinse.
Chris.
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Subject: Groups Mode
Hi all.
I was screwing around with Groups Mode today, and I am unsure of
how to use it.
Could someone explain how to use Groups Mode in Web Navigation?
I know it is quite different from DOM Mode, and I hear it is
extremely good once you use Groups Mode.
Help is appreciated.
Take care,
Fonzie
