Hello,
I am finding myself tabbing in iTunes much less than I did in iTunes
7. I also use the nightly Webkit builds.
Now that I have been thinking about my strange iTunes behavior, this
thought occurred to me. In some ways, it kind of felt as if something
was trying to synch or something like that. But, I don't know what
that might have been. That's just my way of trying to further explain
how it appeared to me.
Dan
On Sep 25, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Esther wrote:
Hi Dan,
I know that your problems your problems have been solved, but I seem
to get mail from the MacVisionaries site in odd order, and this is
the latest message I received through mail (AFTER receiving your
"Solved" message). I thought it would be useful to make comments on
your posted issue.
First, it's likely that (until we have other information) that your
iTunes Store problem had nothing to do with the most recent Java
update. Secondly, since you had your cursor tracking off, i think
this issue is also not related to the issue Randy reported -- which
I think I understand -- that affects browsing in the songs table.
Thirdly, thanks for posting a great set of instructions about how to
search for audio books at the iTunes Store <grin>.
I was quite interested in your reply to David that over a long
period of time you have noticed strange intermittent behavior with
tracking options in VoiceOver. I know we've seen changes (and
progress over time) with VoiceOver's focus and tracking behavior.
Some of the changes in link behavior under web pages seem tied to
the switch to Safari 3, and some of those changes also appear to
result from the underlying Webkit engine that Safari (and other
browsers) are built upon. (For example, when you want to download
MP3 files from a web page link, while you have to "control-click" on
links to bring up a context menu in the current version of Safari,
you can use VO-Shift-M in the nightly Webkit builds.
So some of this behavior gets fixed when the engine that Safari and
other browsers use gets updated, and those improvements are in the
works.)
What gets me are the new "glitches" with focus -- not the cases when
I know things can be unstable, as when I'm running close to resource
limits and have been using large, memory intensive functions with
Safari or other apps, but the instances where I can restart a
totally new, completely updated, and largely unfilled machine,
experiment with all tracking modes (and restart the machine in
between), and still get glitchy behavior. For example, I tried
checking out mouse keys when Josh posted his lioncourt tip on how to
play sound samples at the Audible.com web site, and some of the
times I that I turned mouse keys on and off by pressing the option
key 5 times I would get messages like "Zoom cursor off" -- when I
didn't even have the zoom cursor on! (Randy will know what I mean --
these are setting options for other Universal Access functions. I
also then tried out "sticky keys" and got some "cross-talk" messages
with those functions, too.). In iTunes it really does seem as
though sometimes we get quirky focus behavior, which is why I've
been revising instructions for how to navigate --- I never rely on
tabbing to navigate now if I give instructions to other people, but
I ALWAYS used to use this in Tiger because it was faster and also
easier to understand.
Dan, Randy, and everyone else, feel free to chime in with
insights. When I first moved to Leopard I thought I just wasn't
used to the new operating system, but I really think focus has
gotten glitchy.
A few comments on the specific topic of searching for audio books:
you don't need to navigate to the songs table if there's a specific
book you're searching for (e.g., a recent release with only one
version as opposed to multiple readings by different narrators of a
classic like "Pride and Prejudice" with both abridged and unabridged
versions). If you select the link for the book in the HTML area,
you'll be taken to an HTML page for that specific book, and there
will be a Preview button that lets you sample the book, and a Buy
book button. There will also be as short description, and there may
be reviews and ratings by other customers. You can also check out
other books that listeners who purchased this book bought. While
you can purchase the book either from the songs list or the HTML
area that result from the original search, you'll get more detailed
information on the book if you navigate in the HTML area to the
specific HTML page for that book.
Cheers,
Esther
On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Dan wrote:
Hello,
Okay. Now that I had my morning coffee, I'm ready to go.
BTW, I checked the other Macs we have and I don't have any problems
on them. it's just this iMac.
1. I launch iTunes.
2. Command Shift H to go to Home Page in the iTunes Store.
3. VO right to the iTunes Store HTML and interact.
4. VO u to open Links List.
5. Type in Pow for power search, and get the Power Search page.
6. Vo over to the Results popup and in this instance select Audio
Books, but I doubt if that really matters with this problem.
7. VO over to the edit fields and type in a book title and press
enter.
8. Interact again with the iTunes Store html and VO through the
edit fields where the title is populated.
Note: This is where the problem starts. I kind of get stuck here.
every time I try to VO further to get to the actual book
information, cant do it because I keep getting bounced back to the
search fields.
Continuing with the situation.
9. Then I press tab to get to the Songs table.
Note: This is where the darn thing starts stuttering and that's
about all it does.
Again, I don't have this problems on any of my other Macs.
Dan.
On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Cara Quinn wrote:
Dan, can you detail what you do to cause this, once more, if you
would, step by step?… I'm sorry, but I didn't quite follow your
earlier explanation.
Thanks so much and have a lovely day!…
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Dan wrote:
Hello Cara,
I sure hope it doesn't cause you any problems. And like you, I
really don't see a connection other than that this was the latest
update before the problem started for me.
But as I just mentioned to Randy, it's interesting that problems
are different on different computers and all of that.
Dan
On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Cara Quinn wrote:
My bad, just saw the latest! Apologies for the incorrect or out-
dated, rather, -info!… Oops!
Still though, I'm not sure why this might effect that particular
area of the store, (song list) but am still reading this thread
so perhaps it's made clear.
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:31 AM, Cara Quinn wrote:
There was an update a couple of months ago or so to update the
JRE (Java Runtime Environment) to JRE6.
I'm not sure why this would have an effect on the song list
area of ITunes though. Perhaps someone else here may know more…
Smiles,
Cara :)
On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:27 AM, David Poehlman wrote:
when was there a java update?
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Subject: frustrating iTunes strangeness
Hello All,
This evening I was at the iTunes store from iTunes. I used the
power
search and put in the title I was looking for and selected
audio books.
Now the strange stuff starts.
1. I VO Arrowed to the right to iTunes Store HTML and
interacted with
it. Then I started moving along the search area. However, I
couldn't
get out of the edit space where the title was listed. It just
keeps
knocking me back to one of the edit areas.
Then I tabbed to the songs list and then the darned thing
started
stuttering like crazy. It was trying to say "song list." But
it just
kept going "SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS."
I started having this problem after the latest Java update.
Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions?
Thanks in advance. Dan
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