I noticed in migrating to leopard one of the big changes what it was no longer possible just to arrow through radio streams after picking a category. I have also noticed as of the latest update 5.5, a lot of focus issues in mail.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:26 PM Subject: Re: frustrating iTunes strangeness Hi Dan, I know that your problems your problems have been solved, but I seem to get mail from the MacVisionaries site in odd order, and this is the latest message I received through mail (AFTER receiving your "Solved" message). I thought it would be useful to make comments on your posted issue. First, it's likely that (until we have other information) that your iTunes Store problem had nothing to do with the most recent Java update. Secondly, since you had your cursor tracking off, i think this issue is also not related to the issue Randy reported -- which I think I understand -- that affects browsing in the songs table. Thirdly, thanks for posting a great set of instructions about how to search for audio books at the iTunes Store <grin>. I was quite interested in your reply to David that over a long period of time you have noticed strange intermittent behavior with tracking options in VoiceOver. I know we've seen changes (and progress over time) with VoiceOver's focus and tracking behavior. Some of the changes in link behavior under web pages seem tied to the switch to Safari 3, and some of those changes also appear to result from the underlying Webkit engine that Safari (and other browsers) are built upon. (For example, when you want to download MP3 files from a web page link, while you have to "control-click" on links to bring up a context menu in the current version of Safari, you can use VO-Shift-M in the nightly Webkit builds. So some of this behavior gets fixed when the engine that Safari and other browsers use gets updated, and those improvements are in the works.) What gets me are the new "glitches" with focus -- not the cases when I know things can be unstable, as when I'm running close to resource limits and have been using large, memory intensive functions with Safari or other apps, but the instances where I can restart a totally new, completely updated, and largely unfilled machine, experiment with all tracking modes (and restart the machine in between), and still get glitchy behavior. For example, I tried checking out mouse keys when Josh posted his lioncourt tip on how to play sound samples at the Audible.com web site, and some of the times I that I turned mouse keys on and off by pressing the option key 5 times I would get messages like "Zoom cursor off" -- when I didn't even have the zoom cursor on! (Randy will know what I mean -- these are setting options for other Universal Access functions. I also then tried out "sticky keys" and got some "cross-talk" messages with those functions, too.). In iTunes it really does seem as though sometimes we get quirky focus behavior, which is why I've been revising instructions for how to navigate --- I never rely on tabbing to navigate now if I give instructions to other people, but I ALWAYS used to use this in Tiger because it was faster and also easier to understand. Dan, Randy, and everyone else, feel free to chime in with insights. When I first moved to Leopard I thought I just wasn't used to the new operating system, but I really think focus has gotten glitchy. A few comments on the specific topic of searching for audio books: you don't need to navigate to the songs table if there's a specific book you're searching for (e.g., a recent release with only one version as opposed to multiple readings by different narrators of a classic like "Pride and Prejudice" with both abridged and unabridged versions). If you select the link for the book in the HTML area, you'll be taken to an HTML page for that specific book, and there will be a Preview button that lets you sample the book, and a Buy book button. There will also be as short description, and there may be reviews and ratings by other customers. You can also check out other books that listeners who purchased this book bought. While you can purchase the book either from the songs list or the HTML area that result from the original search, you'll get more detailed information on the book if you navigate in the HTML area to the specific HTML page for that book. Cheers, Esther On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:38 AM, Dan wrote: > Hello, > Okay. Now that I had my morning coffee, I'm ready to go. > BTW, I checked the other Macs we have and I don't have any problems > on them. it's just this iMac. > 1. I launch iTunes. > 2. Command Shift H to go to Home Page in the iTunes Store. > 3. VO right to the iTunes Store HTML and interact. > 4. VO u to open Links List. > 5. Type in Pow for power search, and get the Power Search page. > 6. Vo over to the Results popup and in this instance select Audio > Books, but I doubt if that really matters with this problem. > 7. VO over to the edit fields and type in a book title and press > enter. > 8. Interact again with the iTunes Store html and VO through the edit > fields where the title is populated. > Note: This is where the problem starts. I kind of get stuck here. > every time I try to VO further to get to the actual book > information, cant do it because I keep getting bounced back to the > search fields. > Continuing with the situation. > 9. Then I press tab to get to the Songs table. > Note: This is where the darn thing starts stuttering and that's > about all it does. > Again, I don't have this problems on any of my other Macs. > Dan. > > On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: > >> Dan, can you detail what you do to cause this, once more, if you >> would, step by step?… I'm sorry, but I didn't quite follow your >> earlier explanation. >> >> Thanks so much and have a lovely day!… >> >> Smiles, >> >> Cara :) >> >> >> On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Dan wrote: >> >>> Hello Cara, >>> I sure hope it doesn't cause you any problems. And like you, I >>> really don't see a connection other than that this was the latest >>> update before the problem started for me. >>> >>> But as I just mentioned to Randy, it's interesting that problems >>> are different on different computers and all of that. >>> Dan >>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: >>> >>>> My bad, just saw the latest! Apologies for the incorrect or out- >>>> dated, rather, -info!… Oops! >>>> >>>> Still though, I'm not sure why this might effect that particular >>>> area of the store, (song list) but am still reading this thread >>>> so perhaps it's made clear. >>>> >>>> Smiles, >>>> >>>> Cara :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:31 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: >>>> >>>>> There was an update a couple of months ago or so to update the >>>>> JRE (Java Runtime Environment) to JRE6. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure why this would have an effect on the song list area >>>>> of ITunes though. Perhaps someone else here may know more… >>>>> >>>>> Smiles, >>>>> >>>>> Cara :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:27 AM, David Poehlman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> when was there a java update? >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of >>>>>> Mac OS X by >>>>>> theblind" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:29 AM >>>>>> Subject: frustrating iTunes strangeness >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello All, >>>>>> This evening I was at the iTunes store from iTunes. I used the >>>>>> power >>>>>> search and put in the title I was looking for and selected >>>>>> audio books. >>>>>> Now the strange stuff starts. >>>>>> 1. I VO Arrowed to the right to iTunes Store HTML and >>>>>> interacted with >>>>>> it. Then I started moving along the search area. However, I >>>>>> couldn't >>>>>> get out of the edit space where the title was listed. It just >>>>>> keeps >>>>>> knocking me back to one of the edit areas. >>>>>> Then I tabbed to the songs list and then the darned thing started >>>>>> stuttering like crazy. It was trying to say "song list." But it >>>>>> just >>>>>> kept going "SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS." >>>>>> I started having this problem after the latest Java update. >>>>>> Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? >>>>>> Thanks in advance. Dan >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> View my Online Portfolio at: >>>>> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> View my Online Portfolio at: >>>> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> --- >> View my Online Portfolio at: >> http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn >> >> > >
