I agree, an indepth discussion of windows is not what we are here for certainly although it's been done a few times. I would hope though tht the occasional windows question about an apple product would be ok. after all, we have discussed microsoft products for the Mac here. I just don't want to send people elsewhere just to get a little question answered if they are not there already.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Schmude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:10 PM Subject: Re: iTunes 8.0.1 released with Accessibility Enhancements A very good point there, David, in regards to Windows making it necessary for the various hooks and intercepts. However, I didn't want to go too in depth, as this is not the place for it. The problem with having Windows discussions on this list is that it's not what most of us are here for. It's one thing to ask how Voiceover works with an application as opposed to one of the Windows screen readers. In my view that's not the right way to look at it, but it is a valid question. But let's not cross the line and start discussing how jaws versus window-eyes work with iTunes for Windows, which has absolutely nothing to do with access to the Macintosh platform at all. Perhaps a broader list should be created for this, if enough people want it, or perhaps the moderator will choose to repurpose this list into a general Apple accessibility list. Currently though, discussion of Jaws/Window-Eyes and iTunes seems off topic (to me, anyway). On Oct 3, 2008, at 10:53, David Poehlman wrote: > The problem with the two lists for windows screen readers is that > they are > of high volume. If we can keep someone on the list, maybe they'll > buy a Mac > or stop using windows on that mac. If someone is reading this list, > they > are already aware or soon will be if they stic around long enough of > the > potential of the Mac as a viable alternative to the windows screeen > readers. > Let's not throw the baby out with the bath watter here. > > One more thing though, it is not because the screen readers do > things in > radically different ways that it is the responsibility of the AT and > the > Developper, it is because the windows platform makes this necessary. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jacob Schmude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS > X by > theblind" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 1:21 PM > Subject: Re: iTunes 8.0.1 released with Accessibility Enhancements > > > There's the gw-info list for window-eyes users, can't say about jaws > though I'm sure there is at least one such list. It's quite a > different situation on Windows than on the Mac, though, as far as > responsibility goes. On windows the responsibility is divided, because > of the ridiculous amount of different API hooks and video driver > intercepts that are used by the various screen reader products to > retrieve information from the system. Further, given the price of such > products, it is not feasible for many developers to test their product > with screen readers themselves. So, as much as I'd like to say it is > the developers' responsibility, realistically that isn't fair at this > point. Software such as NVDA and SA to go have the potential to change > this, but they aren't used nearly as much as the expensive screen > readers and don't have as much functionality at the moment. Thus, > responsibility falls equally upon the software developers and the > screen reader manufacturers, with many developers foisting it off to > the screen reader manufacturers entirely. Specifically regarding > iTunes, I think Apple has put in their part with implementing MSAA > into it. In theory it will actually work with any screen reader that > has full MSAA support, though in practice they often need tweaking on > an application-specific basis to fully make it work. This is > contrasted with the situation on the Mac, obviously. > > > On Oct 3, 2008, at 10:05, UCLA Bruins Fan wrote: > >> is there another list for windows users tht would help jaws and >> window eyes users out with Itunes issues? >> I, myself, can't offer any guidence because I haven't touched jaws >> since switching to the mac in December. >> Is it apple's responsibility to make sure Itunes works with third >> party windows screen readers? Or does the responsibility fall to >> places like GW micro and freedom scientific to make sure their >> products are compatible with Itunes? >> Just curious. >> Olivia >> . > > > >
