Personally, I think the key combinations are quite logical--the arrow
keys, etc. I never even think about the ctrl and option keys as with
any voiceover commands those are a given already. So the way I learned
it was to think of just the navigation keys themselves. I found that
easier in the first few weeks of using my Mac.
I'm wondering, though, if you're not so much having issues with the
key combinations as with some of the concepts behind it? Apologies if
I'm off the mark, but it sounds more as if your complaint is at the
concept of interacting rather than the key used to perform it. No
mistake about it, Voiceover is definitely a shift in concepts from the
way traditional adaptive systems do things. While I was teaching
myself OS X I basically forced myself to unlearn previous screen
reader concepts for the most part, I found that I was thinking about
how Windows or Linux did things and that was leading me to expect
Voiceover to work the same. Again I appologize if I'm off the mark
here, but this is just the impression I'm getting. The system is very
different. I personally find it to be much more logical, but that's
just me.
On Oct 25, 2008, at 13:23, Estelita wrote:
Yeah, if we remember how to do it.
As myself, I always look at my notes when I work on my Mac.
However: I admired the developers' idea by integrating voice in the
Mac, it gives us choice.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Seeds Mac OS X 10.5.6 to Developers
Speaking from a pure design standpoint as a point of fact, the vo
interface
is a brilliant design. if you have trouble with
control-option-shift-down/up arrow, you can most often use tab and
shift tab
and arrows to do many things, you can also use the item chooser in
many
windows. Interacting is brilliant because it provides a way of
interacting
with tthings instead of them getting in the way when you don't need
or want
them.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:57 PM
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I think not only the vo find feature needs refining, there are more
features
that need lots of twigging before we land to where we want.
Personally, I don't really like this interacting command.
We have to remember 4 keys to do this.
Since voiceover is just new, we just hope the developers will come
up with
the key combinations that are easy to remember.
----- Original Message ----- From: "kaare dehard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 4:12 PM
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I for one would like to see some touchups done to the vo find
feature,
It's good as far as it goes, I have found that on larger busier
pages it
is somewhat inconsistant as to what and when it will find
something. I
don't see why one day it will find something and behave, but on
another
just for giggles I look for the same thing and it's not there.
Going
windowsish isn't the way I'd like to see things go either, but I
am still
mindful that some refining would certainly be appreciated.
On 24-Oct-08, at 11:08 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
24 okt 2008 kl. 16.48 skrev Jacob Schmude:
Further, I for one hope that Voiceover doesn't borrow too much
from the
Windows screen readers' methods of web navigation.
I couldn't agree with you more there. The last thing i want is a
mac
platform with a windows screen reader. I want this os as unique
and as
good as it is today!
--
/Krister
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