...and beyond that, in subsequent updates, we got more braille displays and a whole host of other enhancements like the bug fix for the finder get info dialog crashing.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS X by theblind" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:25 AM Subject: Re: Mac OSX 10.5.6 and OSX Snow Leopard Hello Matt, Leopard brought significant changes to VoiceOver. Apart from Braille support, we got Numpad Commander, Hotspots, navigation using headings either of the same level or any level, the ability to read a whole Webpage at one go, all kinds of text navigation commands including finding text of the same colour or with the same attributes, keyboard practice giving definitions of VO commands, VO-H-H giving a list of available commands, additional voice configuration options, and I'm sure that's not all. Have you ever read through the full list of VO commands and explored VoiceOver Utility thoroughly? It's definitely worth the effort to improve your VO experience. Cheers, Anne On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:01 AM, Mueller, Matt wrote: > I would have to agree that VoiceOver certainly isn't going to be > removed. One thing I do find peculiar, however, is the update path > and outlook for VoiceOver. You must excuse me (and correct me as > well) if I am mistaken in my facts or interpretation. I am still > quite new to VoiceOver and the Mac. Version changes of Windows > screen readers often bring with them a fair number of added > features--ways of making parts of the GUI easier and more efficient > to navigate and use. I don't see that with VoiceOver. Even with my > admittedly limited use of Tiger and now Leopard I don't see many > significant changes. Granted Braille support is very significant > and the additional audio cues are an improvement as well. Mostly the > updates seem minor and not even all that frequent. The last I > remember was 10.5.2 restoring list view on the Dock. So are updates > to VoiceOver really all that unique? Is it reasonable to expect > more frequent updates and improvements just because it is part of > the OS, and can a major update always be expected when the next OS > is released, say 10.6? I suppose I see improvements in such areas > being a function not of OS updates but simply Apple's commitment to > accessibility and their user base. I guess my ultimate question as > someone who is beginning to invest time and money in the Mac > platform is simply this: What are the chances of stagnation given > Apple's primary and sole focus is not providing access technology? > Any thoughts on this are welcome. > ________________________________________ > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ] On Behalf Of Babcock, Michael Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:29 PM > To: General discussions on all topics relating to the use of Mac OS > X by the blind > Subject: Re: Mac OSX 10.5.6 and OSX Snow Leopard > > what bought up the no voiceover topic? I might have missed something > On Nov 3, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: > >> Chris, please, Apple really would never shoot themselves in the foot >> in this way. Hell I can't imagine any company spending that much >> money on R&D to then just toss it in the trash. The other person who >> responded is correct in it would be a P R nightmare as well. >> VoiceOver is here to stay and I assure you that Apple has no plans >> to stop development anytime soon. >> >> On Nov 3, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: >> >>> I hope to God that Voiceover will be a part of the new OS. If not, >>> then I will unfortunately lose all respect for Apple. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> >>> Wanna hear the best Christian material around? Anything from music >>> such as southern gospel, CCM, Kid's Christian, harder edge, >>> Christian rap, and more? Wanna hear good time preaching? 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To be fair, people are not usually testing VoiceOver, >>>> and with hte exception of 10.5.3, it may or may not be public at >>>> it's release. You should find them interesting all the same. >>>> >>>> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mac-OS-X-10-5-6-9G21-Seed-Notes-Out-96638.shtml >>>> >>>> On 10.6 Snow Leopard, I have found only the following. >>>> Currently, from what I can see, the finder window is now >>>> completely written in coco. The entire OS is supposed to be >>>> written in coco, so that is always good to hear. we really won't >>>> know it's entirety until it is actually released, but little tid >>>> bits or nice here and there. >>>> >>>> Take care all. >>>> >>>> Fonzie >>> >>> >> >> Scott Howell >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> > > Michael Babcock, owner of > http://gwhosting.net > Check out my blog at: > http://feeds.feedburner.com/GwNetworks > twitter at: http://twitter.com/creepyblindy > and brightkite at: http://brightkite.com/people/creepyblindy > >
