[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The concerns are not overstated, quite the contrary. Today the silliest python app will have less difficulty being included in a Linux distribution than any given major java app.
Does anyone have numbers on this? Is OOo the most often included office suite on Linux or is it not? If it is, I doubt we should even care what the free software fanatics say about our use of Java...
This whole conversation is beyond me. Java is free, as in beer, it can be used by anyone on any computer on any platform in the world.... Why anyone would exclude it for some stupid political reason is beyond my understanding. Free as in beer/free as in freedom.... Who cares? Does it work? Yes, oh yeah, it works. Is it free? Well it doesn't cost anything. Can I put it on Linux, Windows, Mac, Solaris? Yep-yep. Is there any spyware or adware or viruses? Nope. Okay... I'm sold.
I don't need a lecture on the difference between software that is free and free software. I know the difference between OpenOffice.org and 602 PC Suite. I know the difference between open source and trialware/shareware/adware/crippleware/nagware/and even freeware. But if Java works, (and it does), and it works well, (and it does), and it is as crossplatform as OOo (and it certainly seems that way to me), and there's no way to do this in a more-free format without a complete rewrite of stuff that the "open source community"has heretofore been, shall we say, unwilling to rewrite for us - I say, screw 'em.
OOo is done 95% or more by *SUN EMPLOYEES*. If SUN wants to use Sun's Java - then they can, and should. If these little Free Software Freaks want it Java-free (pun intended) then "SHOW ME THE CODE". If they want to bitch and moan - let them. They can always try to get there work done on AbiWord.
Sumbit IZ reports, discuss changes, but, when it comes down to it, if you want it done, do it. Either do it, or find someone to do it for you. I'm not concerned in the least about us losing some FSF programmers - because we don't have any! When was the last time someone of this political ilk submitted code to OpenOffice.org? Last week? last month? last year? EVER?!?
Why should we give a d*** about placating people who will never like us and never help us anyway? It's a waste of time, effort, and political capital. Let's just keep doing what we're doing and let the code fall where it may.
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-Chad Smith
