From: Daniel Carrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 05:04:48 -0400

   > You are making the mistake of trying to convince *me* or *Nicu* that
   > Sun is ok. The general feeling in the FOSS community is of very deep
   > mistrust of Sun.

Are you part of the same FOSS community as I am? What FOSS community are
you talking about? Do you have some evidences for your statements?

I think you are the man that "writes something so others have something to
reply to so you have something to reply to"... "The general feeling" and
"empirical evidence" (like used below) looks like "I think that ..... but
I do not want to write in public that it is how I think of it." to me. At
least this is my feeling and as you know, I always write what I think
directly without going around it.

   > Consider that most FOSS projects are GPL. Ask yourself why. What's the
   > risk?

GNU GPL is the license. This is something else than copyright ownership.

There are FOSS projects using GNU GPL that use CAs too.

You are looking at JCA from the wrong side. You should ask:

- how many large FOSS projects use GNU GPL?

- how many of them use some form of copyright assignment?

- how many of them *without* such assignment have had legal problems in the
  past because they can't find the source/author of the patche?

- how many of them with such assignment have had a legal problems in the
  past?

After answering these questions, maybe you change your opinion on CA.

Daniel, are you actively developing something in some FOSS project? Every
large FOSS project have to solve the problem of incoming patches and the
ability to protect the project from enemies. Some projects solve it by
assigning copyright to some organization (e.g. FSF).

The first free software project, Emacs, is also using some form of
copyright assignment. And we have a lot to learn from this project.

And to somewhat ease the content of this e-mail, here is one example: after
signing legal papers for Emacs to FSF, you'll receive several stickers with
FSF logos ;-)
-- 
Pavel Janík

2.4.15 eats files.  DON'T USE IT.
                  -- "H. Peter Anvin" in LKML

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