On Friday 29 April 2005 01:25, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > On Ven 29 avril 2005 1:47, Christian Einfeldt a �crit : > > On Thursday 28 April 2005 07:28, M. Fioretti wrote: > >> Interview by C. Einfeldt to Sun Microsystems evangelist Simon > >> Phipps: > > > > Thanks for noticing this article, Marco! I included a link to > > the article about Java in OOo by Bruce Byfield, because I > > thought that his analysis was superb, even though I disagreed > > with his conclusion. There is also a link in the article back > > to Marco Fioretti's 2005/3/28 thread about Bruce's article on > > Java in OOo. > > I doubt this interview will help at all. It basically says "I > don't see there is a problem, so there is no problem. Aren't it > wonderful there is no problem?".
Hi Nicolas, In the intro, I did link to discussions on this list in which you, among others, expressed some skepticism of Sun. The point was to involve the community in a discussion, such as we are having here. > > The java community part is especially bad - sure java community > is big but it's not one that trusts Sun overmuch (getting java > problems Sun is not interested in fixed is almost impossible - > everyone and its mother is doing private forks of java libraries > to work around the fact getting fixes upstream is _hard_ and the > licensing makes it difficult to share fixes among java users). > People are grateful but far from enthousiastic. One of the main > reasons Eclipse took up and Netbeans didn't is _most_ java > players want _less_ Sun control, not more. It's not the happy > campers community portrayed in the interview. This interview was intended as a response to the discussions on this list, including the discussion that Marco Fioretti started with Bruce Byfield's great article of 2005/3/28. Bruce's article posed some very well articulated points that were, overall, skeptical of Java in OOo, and this interview was intended to be a thoughtful reply to that. Simon Phipps was invited to be a keynote speaker at OOoCon2004 in Berlin because he is a thoughtful, well-read person, and I thought his interview would reflect those characteristics. I do think that we should continue to push our community toward greater openness and reduce proprietary dependencies, but I think that we should be wise about how we do that. We will always make our best decisions when we have dialog with people who think thoroughly and clearly about topics, and Bruce and Simon both fit in that description, although on this topic they tend to have diverging opinions. IMHO, we should be able to be able to embrace people with diverging opinions, and welcome the challenge of improving our own thoughts on an issue by testing our ideas against the ideas of others. > > Moreover a large part of the current OO.o userbase is not part of > the java community because of the way Sun chose to manage it. > Applying java management methods to OO.o (which is what will > happen if OO.o starts depending on java) will only alienate these > users - they've already looked at the java model and rejected it. > Regards, --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
