On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 14:50:36 PM +0100, Gianluca Turconi
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> M. Fioretti wrote:
> 
> >What I mean is only that FOSS developers (as well as very advanced
> >users like you and me) *do* have the duty to remember in any moment
> >that "with enough eyes all bugs are shallow", "if there's the
> >source, you too can fix it" and similar raymondisms have much less
> >meaning and validity today.
> 
> [...]
> 
> I don't agree. It would be as you say only if you consider the
> equivalence users=developers as an absolute value. It is a relative
> one.

Uh? *I* am the one who said first in this thread that that
equivalence, still made by many FOSS developers, is anything but
absolute. No need to tell me that.

> Let's use some figures with the same complex hypothetical
> application.

you yourself mention that the numbers are hypothetical, so I'm not
going to continue the exercise. As far as this is concerned:

> Can you demonstrate there is an exponential or progressive growth of
> bugs when the user base grows of an X factor? I don't think so.

As far as I recall, I haven't said anything of the sort, I don't
understand why I (or anyone) should demonstrate such a thesis here,
and/or what it has to do with my original comments.

What I started with is that, for me, Andrew's article mentions some of
the reasons why it is wrong to assume that *any* desktop application
of which 99.99% users are non-programmers, not just OO.o, will be
better for those users *just* by being FOSS. Even if, of course, if it
is it's an excellent thing.

> If an application is well written, it is well written.

Of course. Regardless of its license. That's why I don't even
disagree, because frankly I just really don't understand anymore where
you are going. I'd suggest to just let die this particular subthread
and line of reasoning.

> And even the relation between end users and developers it's hard to
> determine. You may have a tiny end user base and a large developers
> base because you have hired them, you've done specific marketing
> etc.

...again regardless of license...

I'll stop here. Dinner time, you understand...

Ciao,
        Marco

-- 
Marco Fioretti                    mfioretti, at the server mclink.it
Fedora Core 3 for low memory      http://www.rule-project.org/

The three most dangerous things are a programmer with a soldering
iron, a manager who codes, and a user who gets ideas.

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