Hi Cor, *
Cor Nouws schrieb:
Bernhard Dippold wrote (14-04-10 00:52)
Cor Nouws schrieb:
[...]
Looks as if you ask the council to reconsider the decision (...) to
not change further on the product-independent odf icons.
Not exactly:
I ask the council to decide on the change itself: Is it reasonable to
include such a fundamental change in an OOo release without involving
the community in such a decision.
If the CC would not approve such a change, the modification could be
reverted quite easily in one of the next releases on the way to OOo3.2.1.
After the decision process - on the relevant OOo lists, if necessary
including a compromise or decision by the CC, the new icons (with or
without application symbol) can be added to the next CWS to come,
allowing to release OOo3.2.1 without Sun branding (the "S"-curve).
[...]
This decision has not been made in the community - none of the
relevant projects nor the CC have been involved as far as I know.
OK, thanks for this extra information. To me that was not so clear and
I didn't connect it tight enough to the community council task as you
point to. Thanks for helping and correcting me.
[...]
About open questions: I wonder if you/others have links to threads /
posts on project lists where there has been discussion about this
aspect of the icons.
There has been a thread on d...@marketing [1] and I tried to summarize
it's content on disc...@ux [2] where the main discussion on the ODF
icons takes place.
Unfortunately this summary has not been taken into account by the people
pushing these icons (at least they didn't reply on the list).
There have been several comments on this aspect of the icons (providing
information or not about the application to open the files and thus
reducing OOo branding on the user's desktop) in some of the other
threads on disc...@ux concerning the ODF icons [3], [4], [5], but these
threads are quite long, so reading them would take some time.
If you just look at the different names posting in these threads, you
might see the variety of people interested in this document icon change
(and you'll find more concerns than supporters).
Lutz created a wiki page for the ODF icons [6] that contains the first
questions and comments on the icons along with some explanations, but
our replies describing shortcomings of these explanations as well as the
feedback from art [7] and marketing have neither been answered nor taken
into account.
The only modification was to improve the contrast of the icons
(especially the smaller ones) - the general decision to remove any OOo
symbol has repeatedly been explained as following the priority goal of
application independency. But if this goal has this priority for the OOo
community has never been taken into account. In the opposite: we are
told that this decision is not allowed to be discussed [8].
I already mentioned my compromise idea [thread: 9] for adding a small
application symbol to the otherwise identical ODF icons [image: 10], so
I hope these links provide an overview on the actions about the ODF icons.
Best regards
Bernhard
[1]:
http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=dev&by=thread&from=2310078
and
http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=dev&by=thread&from=2314420
[2]: http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=4452
[3]:
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=discuss&by=thread&from=2283560
[4]:
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=discuss&by=thread&from=2286857
[5]:
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=discuss&by=thread&from=2299760
[6]:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Unified_ODF_Icons_-_Project_Home_Page
[7]:
http://marketing.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=art&by=thread&from=2313359
summary:
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discuss&msgNo=4469
[8]: http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=4888
[9]:
http://ux.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=discuss&by=thread&from=2348749
[10]:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:ODF_textdocument_different_sizes_S.png
and
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/File:ODF_textdocument_128x128_with_diff_apps.png
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