fyi, from the REST discuss list, sorry if you're on both lists.
He is not impressed! regards DaveP ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Elliotte Harold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 14-Feb-2007 14:56 Subject: [rest-discuss] Sun proposes to apply Web service standardization principles to REST To: REST Discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It had to happen sooner or later. The big boys are waking up and discovering REST, and naturally they want to protect all us little developers from worrying our pretty little heads about nasty things like HTTP and XML by creating easy-to-use REST frameworks: JSR-311 Java API for RESTful Web Services http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=311 Remember, these are the same jokers who gave us servlets and the URLConnection class as well as gems like JAX-RPC and JAX-WS. They still seem to believe that these are actually good specs, and they are proposing to tunnel REST services through JAX-WS (Java API for XML Web Services) endpoints. They also seem to believe that "building RESTful Web services using the Java Platform is significantly more complex than building SOAP-based services". I don't know that this is false, but if it's true it's only because Sun's HTTP API were designed by architecture astronauts who didn't actually understand HTTP. This proposal does not seem to be addressing the need for a decent HTTP API on either the client or server side that actually follows RESTful principles instead of fighting against them. To give you an idea of the background we're dealing with here, one of the two people who wrote the proposal "represents Sun on the W3C XML Protocol and W3C WS-Addressing working groups where he is co-editor of the SOAP 1.2 and WS-Addressing 1.0 specifications. Marc was co-specification lead for JAX-WS 2.0 (the Java API for Web Services) developed at the JCP and has also served as Sun's technical lead and alternate board member at the Web Services Interoperability Organization (WS-I)." The other submitter seems to be a primary instigator of the Fast Infoset effort to hide XML in binary goop. This is like asking Karl Rove and Dick Cheney to write the Democratic Party platform. Do we really want to trust these folks to define the official Java spec for REST? Please read the JSR, and send comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope we can derail this completely, but we probably can't. If not, are there any JSR members here who might join the working group and bring some sanity and actual REST experience to the development of the eventual specification? If we can't stop it, maybe we can at least limit the damage. -- Elliotte Rusty Harold -- Dave Pawson XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. http://www.dpawson.co.uk
