On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:05:08 Craig Bergdorf wrote:
> or, if it's $200 and you know for a fact the space needs it right now, just
> grudgingly buy it and hold mild anger towards those that said it wasn't
> needed (sorry, in a mood).  Unless (crosses fingers) this is meant as a way
> to test a new, functional system for the space approving purchases, if so:

I would really like to develop a finance committee for the space but I do not 
have the bandwidth, so I'm taking a very brute force approach to it by asking 
discuss@ for expenditures.

> 
> Is there a budget for the space that includes consumables like toilet paper
> that any member is allowed to see / comment on?  What percentage of the
> remainder of that does this $200 represent?

Yes, thats the $50 maintenance budget.

https://synhak.org/wiki/Maintenance_Budget

This $200 is an investment into our monthly AWS budget, which is a separate 
entry that gets wrapped up into accounts payable, which is currently estimated 
at $435. This $200 would therefore be 31% of the estimated $635 total, should 
this be agreed upon.

> 
> As I mentioned before, I think this is a great idea, and the lower price
> tag just makes it better.  I also have mentioned we should be paying more
> for internet so we can supplement our real host with some old fashioned
> house file servers (and a webcam/open sign/phone that doesn't require so
> much maintenance).

Open sign and the webcam don't need much maintenance once they're configured 
and left untouched. The recent synhak.org infrastructure rebuilding I finished 
that involves disposable web servers removes a lot of the failure points we 
previously suffered with the system. I was hoping to work on removing a bunch 
more failure points on the client side, but not today.

> 
> If a call for comments is up, my only concern is one of not knowing if the
> amount we have for monthly improvements has included all the consumables I
> would think higher priority (such as toilet paper).  I am also surprised
> that there is a penny left in this fund after 2 months of building.

Most of the buildout was in the form of membership dues credit. For some 
reason, nobody has actually asked for any reimbursement yet. I thought I was 
very transparent on how much money we had available for reimbursement, how 
much membership credit was available, and what the difference was between 
credit and reimbursement.

SYNHAK, Inc has so far spent $21.29 on four floodlights, and $22.15 on some 
kitchen supplies. That is it. I'm serious.

Heck, I've had $150 in SYNHAK reimbursement cash on my person every single day 
I was at the space over the last two months.

> 
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Torrie Fischer 
<[email protected]>wrote:
> > On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:35:51 Justin Herman wrote:
> > > I agree with Andrew,
> > > 
> > > I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to
> > > evaluate
> > > the needs of the infrastructure.
> > 
> > If you've got "several concerns", what are those concerns? I too can claim
> > to
> > be "concerned" about something and not actually say why.
> > 
> > Instead of doing any useful synhak work today or tomorrow, I'll be
> > producing a
> > technical report that shows why this investment will benefit the hacker
> > community we aim to support.
> > 
> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Buczko
> > 
> > <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > > WAT?
> > > > 
> > > > first you said it was $1.60
> > > > Then $16.40
> > > > Now it's $123.10
> > > > 
> > > > ?
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Torrie Fischer
> > 
> > <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > >> Previous thread:
> > > >> 
> > > >> https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003393.html
> > > >> 
> > > >> I'd like to propose that we spend $200 to reserve the two t1.micro
> > > >> instances
> > > >> in that proposal for the purpose of web servers.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Our current AWS expenditure is still ~$80/mo. Spending $200 up front
> > 
> > will
> > 
> > > >> reduce that bill by $16.40/mo and keep our infrastructure expenses
> > > >> low
> > > >> for the
> > > >> next three years. Thats an extra $16.40 we can invest elsewhere with
> > > >> a
> > > >> break
> > > >> even point of 12 months.
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