Omar, allow me to reiterate: Calling people out in public is not the best nor most mature way of handling issues. Everyone here has each other's emails. If you're concerned about transparency and fairness for resolving issues we have Members@.
Surely you can understand how someone might feel it is a conflict of interest to have a close friend be the mediator in matters such as these. please refrain from further discussion of private matters on a public forum. -Andrew L On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> wrote: > Devin, > > Our response to Andy's complaint was that he should go talk to Torrie and > try to work out his issues. At that time he was offered mediation. This did > not happen though the issues he brought up were discussed with Torrie > anonymously (now that's out of the bag). Fast forward to now, it has been > brought up that the champions need to try to open a dialogue between them > because Torrie is clamming up regarding Andy (she has said multiple times > in private she feels hostility from Andy when trying to talk to him). Andy > was again asked to come and talk with a mediator, and then asked again. > Andy's response to flatly refuse to attempt dialogue and deny that there's > a problem between them while the same time calling Torrie a name. This is > not appropriate behavior from a board member of synhak to an officer of > synhak. It makes no difference to me what their friendship is, but to > refuse cooperation and even the attempt to come to an understanding with > eachother a good board member does not make. Make no mistake, Andy has been > good to the space and is a good person. But just because you have a > crimping tool with the socket set doesn't mean its going to be useful. The > call is for the board and members to discuss if he is still a good fit for > board nothing more. his membership status is not in question nor at stake. > I would rather not remove anyone from anything but what is the alternative > if one officer is unwilling to talk to the other? > On Apr 14, 2014 12:18 PM, "a l" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Calling people out in public is not the best nor most mature way of >> handling issues. Everyone here has each other's emails. If you're concerned >> about transparency and fairness for resolving issues we have Members@. >> I'd wager most of discuss isn't concerned with whether two of our core >> members are getting along. >> I as a member am only concerned that two of our core members are not >> talking to each other. >> I don't care if it's tin can and string, IRC, snapchat, smoke signals or >> binding arbitration. If two members can't communicate to each other we're a >> worthless community. How can we expect to attract new members if we're >> having trouble getting along with ourselves? >> >> regards, >> Andrew L >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Torrie Fischer < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Monday, April 14, 2014 08:46:00 Devin Wolfe wrote: >>> > So I have been watching this and I have a question. >>> > >>> > What exactly did Andy do to warrant removal from the board? >>> > >>> > From my end it looks like: >>> > >>> > He had a problem with another member, so he verbally addressed it. >>> > He then brought it to that attention of the champions, again verbally. >>> > He then filed a formal complaint with the champions >>> > He continued to verbally address the situation. >>> > Torrie publicly announced she was ignoring his emails (on IRC) >>> >>> Uh, what? I did nothing of that. Andy did nothing of that. >>> >>> The complaint was an anonymous member. Andy has not addressed anything. >>> >>> > >>> > Now you are trying to kick Andy out for not meeting with you when you >>> > request it? Is he not doing his job as a board member? Has he >>> threatened or >>> > phisicaly harmed Torrie or any other member? >>> > >>> > What's the problem? People don't always get along, THAT IS LIFE. This >>> is a >>> > volunteer organization that without members that work so hard for FREE >>> and >>> > pay the be here, we would not exist. >>> > >>> > Frankly I am disgusted that you would even suggest this. >>> > >>> > Devin. >>> > >>> > On Apr 14, 2014 1:04 AM, "Andrew Buczko" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > Andrew >>> > > I have a busy month this month. Everything happens in April! I will >>> not be >>> > > able to respond to requests within 5 days. >>> > > >>> > > Here is what's going on for April: >>> > > >>> > > -My Mother's B-Day >>> > > >>> > > The North American Model Engineering Society >>> > > Web: http://www.namesexposition.com/ >>> > > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6BtmpYoxPQ >>> > > >>> > > Notacon >>> > > Web: http://www.notacon.org/ >>> > > Video: >>> > > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4msp8SFl_k&list=PLuYlHJrLmrZfPu0HFdMVfyMY >>> > > F2C4UwjlO >>> > > >>> > > Cleveland Mini Maker Fair >>> > > Web: http://makerfairecleveland.com/ >>> > > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhrB32n5hNw >>> > > >>> > > Akron Brony Meetup >>> > > Web: http://www.meetup.com/Akron-Brony-Meetup/events/169761202/ >>> > > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6In3lrMFkYk >>> > > >>> > > Slot Car Racing >>> > > Web: http://ohioho.com/OhioHOPRA.html >>> > > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRxhCTcm1Y8 >>> > > >>> > > Cuyahoga Falls Amateur Radio Club 60th Annual HAMFEST >>> > > Web: http://www.cfarc.org/hamfest2014.php >>> > > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6rfQq3onbA >>> > > >>> > > Add this to the fact that I work two jobs and you can tell that I am >>> going >>> > > to be busy. >>> > > Andrew >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 8:10 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >> If the parties involved agree to meet in person that's great. Not >>> > >> everyone will want/be able to. Getting people communicating to each >>> > >> other, >>> > >> even through an intermediary, should be to goal. How it is >>> accomplished >>> > >> should be left to them. >>> > >> >>> > >> Sure, we've had misunderstandings due to words not conveying >>> mannerisms. >>> > >> We've also had polite conversation devolve into a shouting match. >>> Neither >>> > >> form is perfect. >>> > >> In the end communication is key. Not talking, communicating. If both >>> > >> sides are talking but neither is -listening- it won't matter if >>> they're >>> > >> using carrier pigeons or lawyers. >>> > >> >>> > >> "If what is said is not what is meant then what ought to be done >>> remains >>> > >> undone" -Confucious >>> > >> >>> > >> regards, >>> > >> Andrew L >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Torrie Fischer < >>> [email protected] >>> > >> >>> > >> > wrote: >>> > >>> On Sunday, April 13, 2014 15:25:27 Becca Salchak wrote: >>> > >>> > My issue with dealing with it over email is: >>> > >>> > -yes people tend to feel more free and open but we have had >>> issues in >>> > >>> >>> > >>> the >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > past with emails being misinterpreted. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> They happened in the past, and they'll happen again :) >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > - these are personal conflicts and i feel the best way to solve >>> these >>> > >>> > problems is face to face with a peace keeper in the middle >>> > >>> >>> > >>> +1 >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> Discuss mailing list >>> > >>> [email protected] >>> > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Discuss mailing list >>> > >> [email protected] >>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > [email protected] >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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