Omar, firstly, that's a little too much detail for 'discuss', and should be reserved to 'members', please excercise some diplomacy. Secondly I take offense to requesting the deposing of a boardmember for "unboardliness" -that sounds like a slippery slope. Thirdly, likening Andy's usefullness to some guy with tools is a bit too much. This isn't helping.
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> wrote: > Devin, > > Our response to Andy's complaint was that he should go talk to Torrie and > try to work out his issues. At that time he was offered mediation. This did > not happen though the issues he brought up were discussed with Torrie > anonymously (now that's out of the bag). Fast forward to now, it has been > brought up that the champions need to try to open a dialogue between them > because Torrie is clamming up regarding Andy (she has said multiple times > in private she feels hostility from Andy when trying to talk to him). Andy > was again asked to come and talk with a mediator, and then asked again. > Andy's response to flatly refuse to attempt dialogue and deny that there's > a problem between them while the same time calling Torrie a name. This is > not appropriate behavior from a board member of synhak to an officer of > synhak. It makes no difference to me what their friendship is, but to > refuse cooperation and even the attempt to come to an understanding with > eachother a good board member does not make. Make no mistake, Andy has been > good to the space and is a good person. But just because you have a > crimping tool with the socket set doesn't mean its going to be useful. The > call is for the board and members to discuss if he is still a good fit for > board nothing more. his membership status is not in question nor at stake. > I would rather not remove anyone from anything but what is the alternative > if one officer is unwilling to talk to the other? > On Apr 14, 2014 12:18 PM, "a l" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Calling people out in public is not the best nor most mature way of >> handling issues. Everyone here has each other's emails. If you're concerned >> about transparency and fairness for resolving issues we have Members@. >> I'd wager most of discuss isn't concerned with whether two of our core >> members are getting along. >> I as a member am only concerned that two of our core members are not >> talking to each other. >> I don't care if it's tin can and string, IRC, snapchat, smoke signals or >> binding arbitration. If two members can't communicate to each other we're a >> worthless community. How can we expect to attract new members if we're >> having trouble getting along with ourselves? >> >> regards, >> Andrew L >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Torrie Fischer < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> On Monday, April 14, 2014 08:46:00 Devin Wolfe wrote: >>> > So I have been watching this and I have a question. >>> > >>> > What exactly did Andy do to warrant removal from the board? >>> > >>> > From my end it looks like: >>> > >>> > He had a problem with another member, so he verbally addressed it. >>> > He then brought it to that attention of the champions, again verbally. >>> > He then filed a formal complaint with the champions >>> > He continued to verbally address the situation. >>> > Torrie publicly announced she was ignoring his emails (on IRC) >>> >>> Uh, what? I did nothing of that. Andy did nothing of that. >>> >>> The complaint was an anonymous member. Andy has not addressed anything. >>> >>> > >>> > Now you are trying to kick Andy out for not meeting with you when you >>> > request it? Is he not doing his job as a board member? Has he >>> threatened or >>> > phisicaly harmed Torrie or any other member? >>> > >>> > What's the problem? People don't always get along, THAT IS LIFE. This >>> is a >>> > volunteer organization that without members that work so hard for FREE >>> and >>> > pay the be here, we would not exist. >>> > >>> > Frankly I am disgusted that you would even suggest this. >>> > >>> > Devin. >>> > >>> > On Apr 14, 2014 1:04 AM, "Andrew Buczko" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > > Andrew >>> > > I have a busy month this month. Everything happens in April! I will >>> not be >>> > > able to respond to requests within 5 days. >>> > > >>> > > Here is what's going on for April: >>> > > >>> > > -My Mother's B-Day >>> > > >>> > > The North American Model Engineering Society >>> > > Web: http://www.namesexposition.com/ >>> > > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6BtmpYoxPQ >>> > > >>> > > Notacon >>> > > Web: http://www.notacon.org/ >>> > > Video: >>> > > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4msp8SFl_k&list=PLuYlHJrLmrZfPu0HFdMVfyMY >>> > > F2C4UwjlO >>> > > >>> > > Cleveland Mini Maker Fair >>> > > Web: http://makerfairecleveland.com/ >>> > > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhrB32n5hNw >>> > > >>> > > Akron Brony Meetup >>> > > Web: http://www.meetup.com/Akron-Brony-Meetup/events/169761202/ >>> > > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6In3lrMFkYk >>> > > >>> > > Slot Car Racing >>> > > Web: http://ohioho.com/OhioHOPRA.html >>> > > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRxhCTcm1Y8 >>> > > >>> > > Cuyahoga Falls Amateur Radio Club 60th Annual HAMFEST >>> > > Web: http://www.cfarc.org/hamfest2014.php >>> > > Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6rfQq3onbA >>> > > >>> > > Add this to the fact that I work two jobs and you can tell that I am >>> going >>> > > to be busy. >>> > > Andrew >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 8:10 PM, a l <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >> If the parties involved agree to meet in person that's great. Not >>> > >> everyone will want/be able to. Getting people communicating to each >>> > >> other, >>> > >> even through an intermediary, should be to goal. How it is >>> accomplished >>> > >> should be left to them. >>> > >> >>> > >> Sure, we've had misunderstandings due to words not conveying >>> mannerisms. >>> > >> We've also had polite conversation devolve into a shouting match. >>> Neither >>> > >> form is perfect. >>> > >> In the end communication is key. Not talking, communicating. If both >>> > >> sides are talking but neither is -listening- it won't matter if >>> they're >>> > >> using carrier pigeons or lawyers. >>> > >> >>> > >> "If what is said is not what is meant then what ought to be done >>> remains >>> > >> undone" -Confucious >>> > >> >>> > >> regards, >>> > >> Andrew L >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Torrie Fischer < >>> [email protected] >>> > >> >>> > >> > wrote: >>> > >>> On Sunday, April 13, 2014 15:25:27 Becca Salchak wrote: >>> > >>> > My issue with dealing with it over email is: >>> > >>> > -yes people tend to feel more free and open but we have had >>> issues in >>> > >>> >>> > >>> the >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > past with emails being misinterpreted. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> They happened in the past, and they'll happen again :) >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > - these are personal conflicts and i feel the best way to solve >>> these >>> > >>> > problems is face to face with a peace keeper in the middle >>> > >>> >>> > >>> +1 >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > >>> Discuss mailing list >>> > >>> [email protected] >>> > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Discuss mailing list >>> > >> [email protected] >>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Discuss mailing list >>> > > [email protected] >>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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