Hmmm,
At the risk of recieving much heat, let me add a few observations here.
Two things I would like to comment on.
1. First thing is comments about media writers. This is one of those
professions where heat from people reacting to your columns is part of
the vocation. In a free country where the media has the ability to
write adn say what ever they want, the only outlet others have is to
write adn say what THEY want in response. So Ben was free to write what
he felt was necessary as an advocate of the CF language. His style is
his style adn other than profanity or other character attacks, attacks
on the professionalism and accuracy of the article, are fair game IMHO.
2. Second, there is a lot of mention of using jobs as a measure of the
relavancy or growth of a particular technology. WHat I felt was very in
accurate about this article, in particular, is that the interview was
with a recruiter and does not include existing employers. The writer
concluded that because there seemed to be no NEW hires being made with
CF as the technology, means that CF is a dying technology. One could
conclude any one of the following:
a. CF technology specialists do not need or use recuiters
b. CF is a technology that internal employees can deploy and so
recruiting is not needed (internally trained).
c. CF technology specialists are happy where they are and so are
not changing jobs.
d. CF is a technoplogy that all good software engineers and
programmers already know and use and so a specific recruitment is not
necessary. :-)
e. I will stop now because i could probaly get to ten very easily,
being a long term CF developer. :-)
Hopefully this will be taken in the spirit of discussion as it was
submitted.
Larry J. Morrow
Brian Whitfield / Essential Resources wrote:
Obviously, there are still people developing in CF as demonstrated by
the backlash and the strength of this board. However, If you
consider number of available jobs as a reliable indicator of the
'health' of a language, then unfortunately Cold Fusion is not doing
that well. Dead - no. Booming - no as well. Other languages are
simply doing better popularity wise. In fact, the job market has
essentially developed into 2 main languages - .net and java. They
definitely have the 'lions share' of the market and probably will
continue to for the next few years.
Anytime something like this comes out there is always a big backlash
amongst the people that are still using a particular tool on the
list. I guarantee you the Cobol people are not happy about it as
well - and there are those that say it will be around forever (and it
will be for years to come, but that doesn't mean it is not a dying
language). Being on a list like that has a way of becoming a self
fulfilling prophecy. Coldfusion is NOT dead, but that doesn't
change the fact that it is not 'booming' ala .net or java. Maybe not
a popular position, but it is probably true nonetheless - if you
believe the number of jobs is a reliable indicator (and what would be
a better one?).
It is not a measure of how good or bad Coldfusion is. But more a
measure of its popularity as a language.
Brian Whitfield
Essential Resources
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*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *John Mason
*Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2007 9:49 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* RE: [ACFUG Discuss] shocking...
Honestly, I didn't really like Ben's reply. Attacking Mary directly
isn't really necessary. She did do research and had sources which is
responsible journalism. They just turn out not to be very good. That's
not completely her fault and attacking her is bad form. I mention her
source, but in doing so I also can understand where they are coming
from. She went to a tech recruiter and he just voice the same old
stuff that many people say about CF without really knowning the
topic. In conclusion, their prespective isn't very good and top 10
lists are by their very natural unreliable. It's not that big of a deal.
John
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*Douglas Knudsen
*Sent:* Monday, June 25, 2007 9:36 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [ACFUG Discuss] shocking...
Forta's attacked this one already
http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/5/25/Todays-Irresponsible-Journalism-Award-Goes-To-Mary-Brandel
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DK
On 6/25/07, *John Mason* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Not every technology is on the top 10 "up and coming" technologies
either.
Things come and go. I have a prediction. Given the development
that Adobe
and New Atlanta are doing to CF. And if Adobe actually throws some
real
marketing dollars behind the it. I bet in the next 3-5 years it
will be a
"hot" technology again.
The person they were using as a source for the article was David Foote
( http://www.footepartners.com/) who appears to be a recruiter.
Now nothing
against recruiters but in terms of technology and trends. Their
eye sight is
usually very short. It really has to be, they have to fit the
market as it
is now. Not how it will be down the road.
As an example, they have non-IP networks listed as number 2 which
on the
face of it sounds reasonable since you don't see many of them
anymore. But
several companies are re-discovering nice things about non-IP
networks (they
can be faster and more secure than IP). The TCP/IP protocol is
very big and
cumbersome at times. As an example is "ATA over Ethernet" or AoE.
This is
bleeding edge, experimental stuff right now, but give it time you
may see a
lot of it down the road.
John
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At 8:24 PM -0400 6/25/07, John Mason wrote:
>Just another wacky article for the folks at ComputerWorld. Some
>technologies are clearly dead. Like OS/2 which IBM no longer
supports.
>CF is no where near death.
>
>ColdFusion has 4 different groups developing the language: Adobe, New
>Atlanta, Railo, and Smith Project. These groups actively support and
>developed the language are a very active community. Is the CF world
>smaller than say Java or .Net? Sure but that doesn't mean it's
dead or
>even near death. Just that the companies that develop it haven't been
>very good on the PR front. ComputerWorld mention later all the
people
>calling them up supporting CF after that article came out which
>surprised them. Bare in mind, these lists aren't very scientific.
>
>It just shows that top 10 lists are usually silly and shouldn't be
>taken that seriously.
Yes, I agree to all of that above. I mean I code in Lasso and it
has the
same death threats and issues CF seems to have from time to time,
but the
community that keeps it going is going very strong. Of course
there is no
Adobe behind it, but I know the inside track and it is definitely
not dying.
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