>>> On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Werner Almesberger <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:

>> You're also free to use a different microcontroller to communicate
>> with the transceiver.

>>>> JDH services wrote:

> And you are free to shove your five atusb version 20110123 PCBs up you
> ass if you want.  Or leave if you want.

> You are then one talking about replacing a patent free instruction set
> with a freshly patented one. on a mailing list of a project dedicated
> to making hardware with 100% to free(as in speech, not beer) hardware
> down to the last transistor.  Qi-Hardware, and the nanonote project in
> particular, isn't about making merely 'open source' hardware.  it is
> about make hardware that is copyleft down to the last transistor.

It is about _making_coyleft_hardware_ and Werner is very productively
doing just that.  Compared to you just destructively bashing his work.
There is no way to make it copyleft down to the last transistor already
at step 1.

Look at the nanonote: a (possibly) patent encumbered CPU just at its
heart.  And more patent-encumbered CPUs in the PCs of just any of the
contributors.

Look at the GNU project: they had to start coding the first software
components (including GCC) on proprietary Unix workstations.

You cannot start making things out of thin air.  

BTW every 8051 chip that you can buy is going to be proprietary and
non-copyleft, merely re-implementation might be possible.  Note that AVR
re-implementation is also possible, if not now, then when the damn
patents expired.

> As was said when it was suggested to change the CPU in the MistyMilk
> to one with a more GPL friendly licence.  They don't want to do that
> because it would brake compatibly with the current Mistymilk firmware
> programs and people are too lazy to port them a new architecture.

No I think the argument was that no alternative sufficiently capable and
completely working CPU design was available.

cheers,

David
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