A knitted case would be interesting. It provides a more dense fabric, the creativity is in the design, then let machine do the hard work.
//donning fireproof clothes// or we can OUTSOURCE to a country with low wages/ Just sayin' --- Ron K. Jeffries 2011/2/10 Rubén Berenguel <[email protected]>: > David, > > I'm no expert crocheter (my girlfriend is the crocheter at home, I > just know how to do basic things), but I think that a machine that can > do more than one colour will be very expensive. > > As for building one... Unless you can get one to see how it works (or > there are some explanations somewhere) I don't think it will be that > simple to build one from scratch, it is highly non-trivial to do it by > hand. > > Knitting is different, knitting machines are far easier to assemble > (they are similar to loom machines, perforated cards, 1800 and all > this), and there are manual ones that are faster to operate than doing > it by hand. > > Also, so far only my girlfriend has showed a "standard" case [1], just > with fabric & stitching (it has also some filling to make it softer, > it is patchwork). Fabric & stitching can result in far quicker cases, > as you don't have to build the fabric itself. I guess that this is a > simpler way, only more design/research may be needed. > > Just my two cents in this ;) > > Cheers, > > Ruben > > [1] > http://random.mostlymaths.net/post/1464219500/my-ben-nanonote-patchwork-case > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 14:51, David Reyes Samblas Martinez > <[email protected]> wrote: >> well this is matter of money , time and will, >> Question for the crocheters: >> a) The crocheters wants to work on production scheme? >> Than means be ready to repeat one model one and again and has no >> creative fun on it. also if success it can means to be ready to >> recieve orders in the level of hundreds at some time. >> b) In case afirmative how much time takes to do a case manualy? and >> ten , and a hundred? >> c)how much wants the crocheters gain for that time ? $ o €/hour >> d)crocheters must decide prodution is not fun (I totally agree) then >> they can take a more design/protoyipe part of the process , then is >> matter to arrange a amount per unit sold of his desings and let them >> be creative , also if there is no will like, in Jay7's wife , to do >> the steps from desing to production (create the designs table) they >> need assistance in that case Jay7. >> >> Quiestions for machine guys: >> ok we have an investor :) that's a good thing but how much will cost >> to create such a machine? >> let's theroize. >> I will sugest to use an already done cnc like machine as base, so >> let's take makerboot Thing o matic or reprap as base. that means about >> 1300$ >> -we can use the 3d printer to do the crochet header pieces so plastic >> head will not be useless. >> >> and now the key point. develop a crochet header.... after some google >> I can say most crochet machies are diferently builded as we intend[1], >> but maybe investigatin more this kind of chocheter[2] we can find a >> way to create the cnc head needed. >> whatever is,work for a mechanical enginier, any one on the room? what >> will be the cost of desing something like this? let's guess we find >> one that want to spend some time on this and is a really copyleft >> hardware fan and it just invoice us a 2000$ (very cheap I know but I >> supposed is a fan) header for crocheting but we also want to use >> diferent colors isn't it? how many, and how complicated is to change >> colors? and also crochet has diferent tipes of dots isn't it? the >> edges is diferent than the rest at least. >> ok le'ts imagine we have all that not trivial task done now we have >> the desing and create a prototipe(due we have a 3d printer, we do our >> onw pieces and with some motor/electronic we make it work(about 1000$ >> more maybe?) due at fist we only need one of those now we have so lets >> suppose we have a working machine now. >> As cristopher points we need an standarized format to comunicate with >> the machine, so >> a)we will have to expand the machine lengauage to include whatever >> chrochet instructions on there (tipe of dot an color) >> b) also a more human readable format for the designers, with gui or >> not, but human readable so we also need a human readable --> machine >> lenguage parser. >> (time or money you decide here) >> so we have about a 5000$ machine that may take about 4-6 months to be >> build with a full dedicated team of at least one guy, this with a >> loooot of luck and surelly I have been overoptimistic. >> let's say we make an arrangment with this guy in charge of building >> for his work and pay him abot 5000$ for 6 month of work, yeah I know I >> also supouse is another copyleft fan than will work under market price >> for such task. >> >> 10000$ and 6 months to start producing(we forguet about the machine >> operator), how many cases will do our crocheters with that amount of >> money and time? how many cases/hour can do this machine? >> >> so many questions we need to anwer before going on whatever direction.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [1]http://www.da-hu.com/detail/269447/269447.html >> 2011/2/10 [email protected] <[email protected]>: >>> even better just buy and resell from our crocheters. great. >>> >>> On 2/10/11, Yury Bushmelev <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> 2011/2/10 Christoph Pulster <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>> Wow! You are owner of pulster.de! >>>> I've looked there when got my first Sharp Zaurus ;) >>>> >>>>> Hello Crochet-queens, >>>>> >>>>> I am impressed about the femal power and deep understanding of >>>>> OpenSource information sharing and community idea. >>>>> I think it is a pity, OpenSource is so much on the technical Linux-geek >>>>> side. This exclude mostly women, which would bring a lot positive >>>>> influcence in this movement. >>>>> >>>>> Speaking as shop owner, I am thinking about replication of the cases. >>>>> I would invest in a knitting/crochet machine. But what we need is >>>>> standardized input data and I could offer these nice cases to everyone. >>>>> (similar to Case CAD, Makerbot 3D Printer etc). >>>> >>>> Machine is good, but leave some place for toasty handmade things ;) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Yury Bushmelev >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Qi Hardware Discussion List >>>> Mail to list (members only): [email protected] >>>> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jon Phillips >>> http://rejon.org/ | http://fabricatorz.com/ >>> chat/skype: kidproto | irc: rejon >>> +1.415.830.3884 (global) | +1-510-499-0894 (sf) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Qi Hardware Discussion List >>> Mail to list (members only): [email protected] >>> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/mailman/listinfo/discussion >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> David Reyes Samblas Martinez >> http://www.tuxbrain.com >> Open ultraportable & embedded solutions >> Ben NanoNote, Arduino, Openmoko >> Hey, watch out!!! 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