On 25 Nov 2005 04:03:59 +0200, guy keren wrote:
> 
> mikhael, i don't realy understand your passion for "breaking the rules",
> but unlike what you think, there is still use of visual hebrew, and
> a lot of software still uses visual hebrew. your personal dislike of it
> should not be the basis for breaking things up.

You accuse me of breaking something, but don't provide any real evidence
for it. What things would be broken if mailers treat charset=iso-8859-8
as Logical? Not theoretically, please. Besides, we discuss interactive
programs here, that may add a button to switch from one interpretation
to another (in case it is a real and not just a theoretical problem).

I am not sure whether you speak in the MIME or non-MIME context here when
you say "a lot of software uses visual hebrew"; you do not alaborate.
Dozens of unix programs work with utf-8 or iso-8859-8 as Logical. And I
guess software on Windows operates on windows-1255 that is Logical too.

> if you want to apply a switch, you should remember that in a world of
> standards, there is a deprecation period for a feature, before it is being
> declared obsolete.

Such deprecation period took place for many years (for different reasons,
mostly application use bidi and different encodings), and now we are in a
situation when no mailer intentionally sends visual Hebrew. Thus it is
safe to treat charset=iso-8859-8 as Logical, and simplify the rules.
iso-8859-8-i may be supported forever optionally, although discouraged.

> if people will just go with your method, we'll have messy transition
> periods. in fact, the world of hebrew web sites was quite messy before
> the introduction of iso-8859-8-i - and just when all browsers started
> interpreting things in the manner dror described - hebrew in web sites
> begun working for the users.

Noone suggested to change the web rules, something that can't be easily
deprecated. The situation with mail and iso-8859-8 is different however.

Regards,
Mikhael.

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