Message below: On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:40 PM, Amit Aronovitch <[email protected]>wrote:
> Some comments below (don't worry - no actual contributions - just being > conversational - skip if your'e busy) > > >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Amir Eldor <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> (After Tzafrit Cohen yelled at me a bit): >>> I was mistaken. I forgot to mention I had to install IkiWiki on a CentOS >>> 6 system. >>> >> > > Free clones of "enterprise" distros are about the worst possible choice of > OS for a volunteer-based org (little/no community support, outdated package > base, no option for support contracts). But I guess you can't look a gift > horse in the mouth... > > Actually I can give the horse back and ask for a south-African horse in this case. Will probably do so. > > >> Being unfamiliar with Perl, its modules, and RPM-based distros, it took >>> me a while to understand what I'm doing (bexol zot, psixometri namoox). >>> There's a .deb package for Debian and Debian-based distros for IkiWiki. >>> That makes installation easier, I tried it on a Debian host I own. >>> >>> Oh, I've just remembered. The wiki default creation script of IkiWiki is >>> a bit weird. It creates the wiki under your $HOME, and then when moving it >>> around the filesystem to an appropriate location, you have to manually edit >>> the configuration file for that wiki and run a setup on it again. A minor >>> annoyance though. >>> >>> Some points to make out about Linux.org.il's features as I see it now >>> after reading your emails: >>> - It should be a Wiki editable online >>> - Should be served as static HTML pages just because it sounds awesome >>> - Should be based on text files rather than MySQL or other databases >>> engines, just because it's cool and you can distribute the content easily >>> that way on a GitHub/BitBucket instead of forcing users to start installing >>> database engines and distribute all kinds of database dumps >>> >>> I'm hungry. >>> >>> > Hope you got something to eat. This is really important :-) > > :( > > >> So I guess we are going to stick with IkiWiki and hope we won't have to >>> use a RPM-based distro on the final HaMakor server that will host the >>> website. >>> >>> > > It's not the package format you should worry about. RPM's work nicely with > proper management tools (they can even work with apt). Just stay away from > Enterprise distros and their clones if you can (unless you have resident > linux gurus on payroll and/or support contract. or few very special cases I > can think of). With a community-driven distro like e.g. Fedora, you are > very likely to find all packages you need a click away. Anyways, I believe > that Hamakor runs Ubuntu - so you are fine there. > > Is there a 'Fedora server' thing? Will ask Google and Wikipedia. I thought Fedora is the desktop kind of RHEL and CentOS the server guy. Ignore these last few sentences please I will have my own research I guess. > > >> Next steps: >>> - Me learning how to theme IkiWiki (should be easy through one of its >>> plugins) >>> - We deciding on who's going to graphically design the Linux.org.ilwebsite >>> :( - @board: are we willing to pay for this or do we stick to some >>> ugly GIMP-based mockup that someone can hack for us? >>> >>> > Two separate issues: > 1) logos/etc (which are possible to do in GIMP, but better if you use some > vector program) - it is quite possible to get nice graphics from volunteers > here. Look for the people that produced the stickers / T shirts etc. for AP > or other community sites/events. Post suggestions on the wiki and ask for > feedback. > 2) The page design (css, html templates) - this is the kind of thing that > people are more likely to complain about than contribute - I would not hope > too high (btw - does ikiwiki use some specific template engine? Does it > have a theme/skin facility?) > > 1) I'm too much of a perfectionist to produce something with GIMP or Inkscape, but sometimes I get the muse and all is becoming nicer. That's for logos and small stuff, but a whole site design is harder to produce and takes more time. 2) I would gladly build the CSS and HTML, since I've started using stuff like http://960.gs/ or http://unsemantic.com/ the world of CSS became a bit less painful. Ikiwiki comes with a theme facility and/or local.css for each repository. This should be fun. > AA > > AE
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