On 13 July 2013 16:03, Donald Stufft <don...@stufft.io> wrote: > > > 1. Install to user-packages by default. > > Do people really want this? I hadn't seen it (other than if pip was > installed to user by default). I think it's a bad idea to switch this on > people. I doubt the user-packages is going to be in people's default PATH > so they'll easily get into cases where things are installed but they don't > know where it was installed too. >
I believe Nick wants to make user-packages the default. I know at least some of the pip maintainers (yourself included) have reservations. Personally, I've never used user-packages, so I don't know what issues might arise. But I hope to try it out sometime when I get the chance, just to get some specific information. > > 2. Not depend on setuptools (??? - Nick's "inversion" idea) > > I wanted to do this anyways. It will still "depend" on it, but it will > just bundle setuptools itself like its other dependencies. For pip > dependencies are an implementation detail not an actual thing it can/should > have. > Bundling is not the same as Nick's suggestion. I personally have no problem with bundling, but pip install with a bundled setuptools might not work because the setup subprocess won't see the bundled setuptools when it imports it in setup.py. But either way, it's doable, I just want to know if it's on the critical path... > > 3. Possibly change the wrapper command name from pip to pip3 on Unix. > > Not sure on this. Ideally i'd want the commands to be pipX.Y, pipX, and > pip all available and not install the less specific ones if they already > exist but that might be too hard? > > > 4. Ensure that pip upgrading itself in-place is sufficiently robust and > reliable that users don't get "stuck" on the Python-supplied version. > > I've always used pip to upgrade pip. The only time i've had problems is > when setuptools messes up (which would be prevented if bundled). > I've never tried myself, but I'm on Windows and I expect in-place stuff like this to fail. Maybe I'm paranoid :-) Again I need to check. Thanks for the comments. Paul
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