On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Noah Kantrowitz <n...@coderanger.net> wrote:
> So we've recently seen a big resurgence in activity on improving Python > packaging. First off, thats good, hopefully thats why we are all here. That > said, I'm becoming worried about a possible lack of focus, and I know I'm not > the only one. There have been many ideas floated, and many PEPs either > sketched out, reworked, or are stated to be in planning. I think perhaps we > should work out some kind of shortlist of what we think can and should be > accomplished in the short term and just keep a running list of topics that > need energy but are lower priority. This would reduce the chances of hitting > the "fix the whole world at once" situation that we have run in to before in > this attempt, which often results in burnout and frustration all around. Just > to kick things off here are the rough topics I can think of that I've seen > discussed recently (ignoring that many of these are dependent on each other): > > * Including pip with Python 3.4 > * Bundling setuptools with pip > * Splitting setuptools and pkg_resources > * Replacing the executable generation in pip with something new > * Working out how to let pip upgrade itself on Windows > * Entrypoints in distutils/the stdlib > * Executable generation in distlib > * Signing/vetting of releases > * General improvements to the wheel format > * General improvements to package metadata > > Apologies for anything I have mis-paraphrased or missed, but that is > definitely a lot of things to have up in the air. Just want to make sure we > can get everything done without anyone going crazy(er) and that we keep sight > of whats going on. > > --Noah > > _______________________________________________ > Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig As my last email said, I completely agree here. We don't just risk burn out but we also risk blessing solutions that haven't been thought through entirely. We also increase the "churn" of packaging making it more difficult for people who *aren't* following along to figure out what they are supposed to do. If we come in and try to advocate them changing huge swathes of their toolchain or how to do things they are going to get frustrated. ----------------- Donald Stufft PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372 DCFA
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