On Jul 19, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the idea of switching to zc.buildout style entry points - it
> makes it easier to get pip to a point where "no setuptools" means "can
> only install from wheel files" rather than "can't install anything"
> (that way pip can install setuptools from a wheel if it needs to build
> something else from source).

I plan on making pip bundle setuptools regardless.

To underline how important that is, it's been discovered (though we are still 
working out _why_) that pip 1.3.1 on python 3.x+ is broken with setuptools 
0.7+. Historically we haven't tested old versions of pip against new versions 
of setuptools (and with how quickly setuptools is releasing now a days that 
matrix is going to become very big very fast).

Bundling setuptools makes things way more stable and alleviates a lot of long 
term support headaches.

Also just to be specific entry points don't require setuptools, they require 
pkg_resources which currently is installed as part of setuptools but can likely 
be split out.

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