On Jul 19, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Brett Cannon <br...@python.org> wrote:

> Which is an argument, in my mind, to vendor setuptools over bundling 
> (assuming people are using "bundling" as in "install setuptools next to pip 
> or at least install a .pth file to access the vendored version"). Including 
> pip with Python installers is blessing it as the installer, but if we include 
> setuptools as well that would also be blessing setuptools as *the* building 
> tool as well. If people's preference for virtualenv over venv simply because 
> they didn't want to install pip manually has shown us anything is that the 
> lazy path is the used path.

I don't believe we want to bless setuptools in the long run hence why I want to 
vendor setuptools under pip.vendor.*.

I believe pkg_resources should be split out and pip should just dynamically add 
it to the dependencies for anything that uses entry points. For it's own uses 
it should not generate scripts that depend on anything that isn't included with 
pip itself.

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