On Dec 3, 2013, at 7:36 PM, Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3 December 2013 21:13, Donald Stufft <don...@stufft.io> wrote: >> I think Wheels are the way forward for Python dependencies. Perhaps not for >> things like fortran. I hope that the scientific community can start >> publishing wheels at least in addition too. > > The Fortran issue is not that complicated. Very few packages are > affected by it. It can easily be fixed with some kind of compatibility > tag that can be used by the small number of affected packages. > >> I don't believe that Conda will gain the mindshare that pip has outside of >> the scientific community so I hope we don't end up with two systems that >> can't interoperate. > > Maybe conda won't gain mindshare outside the scientific community but > wheel really needs to gain mindshare *within* the scientific > community. The root of all this is numpy. It is the biggest dependency > on PyPI, is hard to build well, and has the Fortran ABI issue. It is > used by very many people who wouldn't consider themselves part of the > "scientific community". For example matplotlib depends on it. The PyPy > devs have decided that it's so crucial to the success of PyPy that > numpy's basically being rewritten in their stdlib (along with the C > API). > > A few times I've seen Paul Moore refer to numpy as the "litmus test" > for wheels. I actually think that it's more important than that. If > wheels are going to fly then there *needs* to be wheels for numpy. As > long as there isn't a wheel for numpy then there will be lots of > people looking for a non-pip/PyPI solution to their needs. > > One way of getting the scientific community more on board here would > be to offer them some tangible advantages. So rather than saying "oh > well scientific use is a special case so they should just use conda or > something", the message should be "the wheel system provides solutions > to many long-standing problems and is even better than conda in (at > least) some ways because it cleanly solves the Fortran ABI issue for > example". > > > Oscar I’d love to get Wheels to the point they are more suitable then they are for SciPy stuff, I’m not sure what the diff between the current state and what they need to be are but if someone spells it out (I’ve only just skimmed your last email so perhaps it’s contained in that!) I’ll do the arguing for it. I just need someone who actually knows what’s needed to advise me :) ----------------- Donald Stufft PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372 DCFA
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