Am 23.10.2015 um 21:12 schrieb Nick Coghlan: > On 22 October 2015 at 18:07, Thomas Güttler > <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote: >> Am 21.10.2015 um 17:05 schrieb Nick Coghlan: >>> On 21 October 2015 at 14:55, David Cournapeau <courn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Thomas Güttler >>>> <guettl...@thomas-guettler.de> wrote: >>>>> ok, at the moment setuptools uses distutils. >>>>> >>>>> Why not melt them together into **one** underwear-pants-module? >>>> >>>> >>>> What do you hope getting from that ? distutils is in the stdlib, so cannot >>>> change easily, and even if putting setuptools in the stdlib were possible, >>>> you would now need to handle different versions of setuptools for different >>>> versions of python. >>> >>> It's more useful to go the other direction and vendor a modern version >>> of distutils inside setuptools: >>> https://bitbucket.org/pypa/setuptools/issues/417/adopt-distutils >>> >>> distutils can then optionally be replaced wholesale at runtime, rather >>> than having the internals be monkeypatched. >>> >>>> On top of this, the goal of lots of efforts around packaging is to allow >>>> people to move away from distutils/setuptools, as the underlying design is >>>> fundamentally difficult to extend. >>> >>> We still need a migration path to modern metadata standards for >>> everyone using distutils and setuptools - that's the side of things >>> that caused major problems for both distribute and distutils2. >> >> I guess you have a rough migration path in your mind? I guess some >> people here are interested. > > The people here are the ones already building it: ensuring setuptools > can generate any required metadata, using pip to inject setuptools > into the build process for projects using plain distutils. > > Providing the option for folks that don't want to use distutils or > setuptools to be able to use something else and have pip handle that > reliably would be a nice addition, especially if it's done in a > beginner friendly way that can become the new default build tool > recommendation, but ideas for improvement that start with expecting > tens of thousands of project owners to change the build system they > use aren't going to work.
yes, you are right. Several small steps are better than one big. -- http://www.thomas-guettler.de/ _______________________________________________ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig
