Hi Armin. I have worked with Django's ORM without the rest of Django. 
There is no reason you cannot use it this way, particularly with magic 
removal without the need to bundle as a separate product. I had also 
once thought of a simple repackaging prior magic removal. Fact is, you 
can just import what you want. That is the great thing about python. 
SQLObject and SQLAlchemy are excellent ORMs. I disagree with the 
SQLAlchemy being hard to learn and it strives to be a comprehensive 
solution and is maturing nicely. Personally, I believe it is really 
great that there are choices between some very excellent open source 
initiatives.

Regards,
David

Armin Ronacher wrote:
> The django ORM is the best out there. The only problem is that it's
> only working from inside django.
> 
> There is a ticket for that: http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/1321
> and a discussion here:
> http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers/browse_thread/thread/5b590b5487e500c1/c0f0d30cec89b107?q=orm&rnum=5#c0f0d30cec89b107
> 
> Currently there are only two usable ORMs out there. SQLObject which
> isn't pep8 compatible and isn't so nice to work with as the django one
> and SQLAlchemy which is very complicated.
> 
> For my current non django project i would like to use the django
> magic-removed ORM because it's great to use. The only problem is that
> using it require a complete django installation which isn't that good.
> 
> So... Are there any plans to completly unbudle the ORM from django?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Armin
> 
> 
> 

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