On 8/19/06, simonbun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm well aware that its no problem to use ajax right now by using any
> JS toolkit. My point was that it seems somewhat wasteful to have custom
> JS scripts for the admin generator, and then using a JS toolkit that
> does the same thing.

I submitted a partial porting of the admin JS to the Dojo toolkit a
while back, but honestly I don't mind one way or the other if it ever
goes in. If we decide to do real AJAX stuff in the admin app, then
we'll probably have to pick a toolkit for it and bundle that with the
admin app. For now, "waste" strikes me as a non-issue -- it's like
saying that because the admin app uses XHTML 1.0 Strict, it'd be
"wasteful" for someone to have their public-facing templates be HTML
4.01 Transitional. What the admin app does or doesn't do shouldn't
have any bearing on the techniques you choose for the public part of
an application.

> Thats not the issue. Everyone can make their own choise perfectly well,
> but if a "blessed" toolkit is chosen, more people are swimming in the
> same direction. Wich would make it easier to bounce off of each others'
> ideas & code, and maybe to help others that are stuck on something. To
> me thats a benefit, to others maybe a limitation.

The problem here is that, well, there's no such thing as "swimming in
the same direction" -- to get that to work, there would have to be a
one-size-fits-all JS toolkit out there, and there just isn't and never
will be such a thing.

But if somebody wants a "blessing", then here's a blessing that
carries whatever weight people attach to my rambling opinions:

The official JavaScript toolkit of the Django web framework is the one
that best suits what you want to do with it.

The BDFL bless you and keep you, etc.

> How is that a self-fulfilling prophecy? I was just saying that choosing
> a particular toolkit will not get in the way of django developers that
> choose not to use it. Much like the current JS doesn't get in the way.

Time and time and time again we've seen people who -- literally --
would take a "bundled" toolkit as a blanket statement of "use this,
and nothing else". That's not how we roll.

And the opposite statement could be made in response to your argument
-- *not* choosing a particular toolkit doesn't get in anyone's way,
either.

-- 
"May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house."
  -- George Carlin

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