On 9/28/07, Derek Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> well, this i just don't understand.  plenty of programming topics
> considerably more challenging than this are solved via listserv every
> day in the open source world.  i'd rather have a public discussion
> incorporating everyone's needs, ideas and concerns, not just "you and
> ben" deciding between yourselves what you think is best...and then some
> sort of wild-west-style publicity shootout.

Putting the melodrama aside, that isn't what I meant at all. My point was:

1) Working code is fundamentally less confusing that hand-wavy discussions

2) Python affords relatively simple development of prototype code

3) Writing well considered multi-page missives takes a lot of time and effort.

4) With the many proposals that have been thrown around, and the
multiple conflicting interpretations of various key terms, the
discussion waters are now very muddy.

5) The single easiest way to unmuddy the waters is to show you a
working version of what I  am driving at.

6) We could avoid having yet another round of multi-page emails if we
only had some working code that allows me to say "This is what I
mean", and for you and others to say "That bit there doesn't work for
use case X"

I don't for a second expect that the prototype code that Ben is
producing will be merged as-is into trunk. However, it will contain
the minimum elements that I consider to be essential, and a "first
draft" attempt at implementing those features. As a result of mailing
list feedback, I fully expect that changes will be required. However,
it's a lot easier to provide feedback on a working design than on a
vague functional spec.

> to the other people who have weighed into this discussion...am i alone
> thinking along these lines?

Feel free to discuss whatever you want with whomever you want. I have
little else to add that I haven't already said, and all the discussion
in the world won't get code written.

If you have the patience, stamina, and time to continue the
discussion, power to you. If nothing else, it may iron out some issues
so that when I _do_ have something to show, there is some sort of
consensus.

Myself - I'm going to retreat into getting something done. You'll hear
from me again when I have something for show and tell.

Yours,
Russ Magee %-)

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