It would be nice to take advantage of differing priorities rather than
discourage them.  I think that's the way it's meant to work, but in this
case the requestor doesn't have the expertise to finish the job?  

Just my unrequested two cents,

Matt



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From: django-developers@googlegroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty Alchin
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:27 PM
To: django-developers@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Still no favicon - Re: Visual recognition of Django website


I'll preface my thoughts with the disclaimer that I have authority here,
I'm just somebody who's been watching this discussion.

First, this isn't a bug in any sense of the word. It has nothing to do
with any breakage of code. It's a feature request. Let's just get that
straight. Feature requests should always get lower priority, plain and
simple.

While I can appreciate the desire of some to have a favicon, and I can
also understand the frustration at not hearing much from those in
charge, but there seems to be some confusion as to how things work here.
Yes, there has been discussion, and yes, there has been general
agreement on it, among those who want to see it happen (which actually
surprises me). However, a lack of negative response does not
automatically imply approval by anyone, especially not those in charge.

So the logic of "we think it's great and nobody disagreed, so it should
be applied immediately" is completely false. If that was the way it
worked for other tickets, I'd have nightmares about it myself, and I'm
not even a core developer. The general rule of thumb, as far I as I
understand it, is that the burden of proof is on those in support of the
ticket. Sure, you might have a lot of support, but if that support isn't
greater than the reluctance to implement it, it won't get done. No
amount of silence from one party will change that. If the core devs
aren't convinced (and they'll tell you when they are), it won't happen.

Also, allow me to try to explain why it's rude to bring things like this
up in this manner. Take a look at how many times the core developers
respond to emails on django-developers on an average day. I don't have
numbers off-hand, but I typically see about 5-10 emails per day from
each of Malcolm, Russell and Jacob, and there are others who are active
as well. What this means is that they do in fact check their email. If
they send an email before yours and another after it, the odds are
astronomically high that they read your email along the way. Replying
about it every few days just comes across as a child tugging on her
parents' pant legs to get an ice cream cone. Add to that the language
like "why hasn't anything happened yet?" and that child is now saying
"BUT BUT BUT I WANT IT!!!!!1".

Now, I'm not saying any of you are children, nor saying that you act
like children. But you have to realize that things like this have the
same effect on people as the child I described. These people have a lot
to deal with, and every time they have to stop and read yet another
email complaining about the lack of a favicon, they lose time, they lose
patience, and they lose the momentum they had on their other endeavors.

I don't mean to speak for anyone but myself, but I'm playing the odds
when I say: they're listening, and they heard you.

-Gul

P.S. I apologize in advance if this offends anyone.



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