On Aug 2, 8:36 pm, Malcolm Tredinnick <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 18:05 -0700, Brent Hagany wrote:
>
> Putting too much weight on more or less throwaway comments in a single
> video isn't going to be particularly useful.

They didn't seem to be "throwaway" to me - Simon had his requests
prepared beforehand.  Also, it is only a single video, but that video
is a pretty good resource for the topic of Django's future.  It was
the topic of the entire hour.  Are you implying that it's a poor
source for people wondering where Django is going?  It was explicitly
designed to be exactly that kind of source.

> Then there is no way the thread will ever result in a code change or
> even a resolution.

This thread, or the one in the ticket?

> No we shouldn't. This is entirely backwards. Under that logic, Django
> itself is pointless because it's already possible to do all that in
> Python. The point in that sentence is that a discussion without a target
> in mind is just an abstract philosophical discussion with no endgame in
> sight. It adds no value to the process of making a decision.

The target is to get a clear read on whether patches to shortcuts are
going to be considered, or dismissed by their nature.  The objections
I have received on my patches apply equally well to all shortcuts.  I
think that there is a difference in opinion and philosophy in the
community that has real effects on what goes into Django and what
doesn't.  Concretely, I have had the same ticket set to "Accepted" by
a core committer and then threatened to be wontfixed by another.  Is
it wrong for me to want clarification on this?

Futher, I simply do not understand how you can say that a question as
to what that philosophy is has no value in the decision making
process.  At the very least, it helps people to decide what they'll
submit patches for, and what they won't.
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