Hi Daniel,

First and foremost, thanks for all the good work, and for the clear and 
precise updates and explanations on django-developers!

I think renaming related to reverse is a good idea, because it is much 
clearer to me. Could reverse_rel become reverse_related in order not to use 
abbreviations? 

For me, data is a better term than concrete, because it deals with fields 
which store data and not concrete.

Good luck! 

Wim




On Sunday, 27 July 2014 10:42:40 UTC+2, Daniel Pyrathon wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I am currently working on the new Options API (
> https://github.com/django/django/pull/2894).
>
> The Options API is at the core of Django, it enables introspection of 
> Django Models with the rest of the system. This enables lookups, queries, 
> forms, admin to understand the capabilities of every model. The Options API 
> is hidden under the _meta attribute of each model class. Options has always 
> been a private API, but Django developers have always been using it in 
> their own projects, in a non-official way.  As part of my SoC project, I am 
> exposing the new API for public use. As we are also formalizing a new API 
> that has always existed, It is important to revisit the terminology and 
> document it.
>
> The current terminology is described here 
> https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/new_meta_api in the section concepts. 
> I would encourage all contributors to read the document and express their 
> opinion, if they think something should be changed.
>
> A few interesting comments up till now:
>
> Loic on the PR:
>
>    - I prefer "concrete" to "data" as it makes the parallel with 
>    "virtual" more obvious.
>    - "related_objects" > "reverse_rel"
>    - "related_m2m" > "reverse_m2m"
>    - What about reverse o2o, do they currently fall under 
>    "related_objects"?
>    - The main issue I have with "related" is that it doesn't provide a 
>    sense of direction, after all both sides of a FK have related objects 
>    waiting on the other end. I also like the symmetry between "m2m" and 
>    "reverse_m2m".
>    - Django isn't always consistent (and sometime actually wrong) in 
>    naming relations, especially indjango/db/models/fields/related.py. Now 
>    that we start documenting all those things, I see value in getting it 
> right.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel
>

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