I agree too. Let's change it. Andrew
On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 4:03 AM Markus Holtermann <i...@markusholtermann.eu> wrote: > Easy: +1 from me as well for reasons state before. > > /Markus > > On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Adam Johnson wrote: > > +1 from me too for the reasons that Aymeric states. > > > > Another small pro: "translate" is a few more characters to type, but it > > should make it easier to understand the purpose of the tags to > > newcomers. "trans" is a prefix used for many words - Wiktionary lists > > 609: > > > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_words_prefixed_with_trans- > . I guess quite a few Django apps out there have *some* domain term on this > list, so using the full word "translate" can help differentiate the tags > from those other concepts. > > > > On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 at 09:51, Aymeric Augustin > > <aymeric.augus...@polytechnique.org> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I'm in favor of adding support for {% translate %} and {% > blocktranslate %} and switching the Django documentation to use these for > two reasons: > > > > > > - As stated by Mike, the mental associations that "block trans" > creates for those who identify as trans are just bad — I can't believe it > took us 12 years to notice :-/ > > > - Even if we leave that aside, I'm not sure saving 4 characters (8 > with the closing tag) is really worth the uncommon abbreviation of > "translate". > > > > > > Since this change brings mostly a social benefit rather than a > technical benefit, we could keep the {% trans %} and {% blocktrans %} > aliases forever. Also, this could minimize arguments between those who > recognize the benefits of such changes and those who don't, as we've seen > when we changed master / slave to primary / replica. > > > > > > In my opinion, such debates mostly reflect the political rift that > appeared in many Western countries in the recent years. It's completely > predictable that they spill into our community. Since they aren't our main > focus, we're trying to avoid spending too much time there. But we can't > escape the fact that we're making Django first for people writing software, > then for computers running that software. > > > > > > As a community, we chose to state in our Code of Conduct that "we > strive to be a community that welcomes and supports people of all > backgrounds and identities [including] sexual orientation, gender identity > and expression". I believe that the change proposed here is in line with > this statement. I know that some community members will feel that we're > doing too much here — and that others feel that we aren't doing enough in > general — which is why I'm referencing something we already agreed upon. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > -- > > > Aymeric. > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 26 Jul 2019, at 13:17, 'Mike Hansen' via Django developers > (Contributions to Django itself) <django-developers@googlegroups.com> > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hello all, > > >> > > >> Recently I had a member of my team bring up that it was uncomfortable > > >> for them to work in parts of our codebase where they regularly had to > > >> see "blocktrans" in the template files. To make our work environment > > >> more inclusive, I wrote a Django package < > https://pypi.org/project/django-translation-aliases/> which adds > "translate" and > > >> "blocktranslate" templatetag aliases so that we could update our own > > >> internal templates to use these. > > >> > > >> We felt that this change would be in line with the Django community > > >> so I made a ticket and pull request to Django at > > >> https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/30585 . The ticket was closed > as > > >> "wontfix", and it was mentioned that I should bring it to > django-developers > > >> if I wanted to make further progress on the ticket. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> --Mike > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > >> To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/a43ec0ab-f73a-4c11-8fc1-b05d081b24c3%40googlegroups.com > < > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/a43ec0ab-f73a-4c11-8fc1-b05d081b24c3%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer > >. > > > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/EF4EE680-BBA1-40EB-979E-2671349186D6%40polytechnique.org > < > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/EF4EE680-BBA1-40EB-979E-2671349186D6%40polytechnique.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer > >. > > > > > > -- > > Adam > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > > an email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CAMyDDM2APGm53KYUQoTTPOBBKofUdASCbpWTri%2BeB_XWAszeHQ%40mail.gmail.com > < > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CAMyDDM2APGm53KYUQoTTPOBBKofUdASCbpWTri%2BeB_XWAszeHQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer > >. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/be5794fd-8b40-4054-b4d4-37e0fc5fac01%40www.fastmail.com > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. 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