> I think python.org <http://python.org/> and Django are managed by different > (legal) entities so it doesn't make sense for Django mailing lists to use the > domain name python.org <http://python.org/> That’s a good point, it was just an idea. However running mailserver can be annoying and there are economies of scale when it comes to security, spam filtering and ease of administration. We could potentially have a django.com mailing list address that points at a mailsever managed by python.org <http://python.org/>, and other projects like scikit have their mailing lists hosted by them.
> Actually as far as I see it, we only need mailing lists and don't need any > web interface features we get from Google Groups We certainly do need it, if only for historic searching. User management and other niceties are great to have as well. > why do we have to worry about it now I mean, it’s a contingency plan. More of a contingency discussion actually. The point is to discuss future events before they happen. If the result is “it’s not worth thinking about now, let's decide when/if we get there” then that’s valid outcome. > On 26 Apr 2020, at 17:34, אורי <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:14 PM Tom Forbes <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hello, > Given the recent worldwide situation I’ve found myself thinking a lot about > contingency plans recently. I wanted to raise a question about our reliance > on Google Groups and if we had any contingency plans if this service was shut > down? > > To put it politely, it's pretty obvious that Google Groups is in “maintenance > mode” and there is little, if any, active development. Alongside this: > 1. Google has apparently broken core functionality like advanced searching, > and left it broken for years at a time > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups#Google_Groups > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups#Google_Groups>) > 2. Google itself has shut down down maintenance-mode services before even if > they have an active user base (see Google Reader) > 3. Google Groups clearly doesn’t bring any revenue to Google at all, and is > probably a legal liability. > > Given this, if we have not already we should maybe consider what we would do > if it was announced tomorrow that Google Groups was shutting down in 3 to 6 > months? > > Perhaps we’ve already considered this but I couldn’t find any discussions > about this (and it’s hard to search for threads that reference “Google > Groups” as every thread contains that string!). Some food for thought: the > Python development mailing lists (i.e > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/ > <https://mail.python.org/archives/list/[email protected]/>) are browsable > through a service called HyperKitty (https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty > <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty>), which is built with Django. We > could potentially ask for a mailing list on the python.org > <http://python.org/> mail server or we could host HyperKitty and MailMan > ourselves? > > > > I think python.org <http://python.org/> and Django are managed by different > (legal) entities so it doesn't make sense for Django mailing lists to use the > domain name python.org <http://python.org/>. Actually as far as I see it, we > only need mailing lists and don't need any web interface features we get from > Google Groups. Personally my email is powered by Google which is like Gmail > and I assign labels per mailing list, so if I want to search I can just type > text and the label name and I can see any messages since I joined the mailing > lists (I never delete messages). I think if, if Google will close Google > Groups they will give us at least a few months notice and then we can discuss > it, why do we have to worry about it now? But just in case, I think running a > (free software & open source) mailing list software on a specific server will > do, something similar to what python.org <http://python.org/> is doing but > not using their domain name (unless Django becomes parts of the python.org > <http://python.org/> legal entity). > > By the way, is Django a commercial entity? Why does it use the .com domain > suffix? Python uses .org, but doesn't Django use .org too? From reading the > website I see that the Django Software Foundation is non-profit. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CABD5YeHLNhJXTGbaM%2BrYcoM9emvbHwhKxabQ0OoVTBPJyypt%2BA%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CABD5YeHLNhJXTGbaM%2BrYcoM9emvbHwhKxabQ0OoVTBPJyypt%2BA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/7C8DE3B8-2CF0-43A5-A758-D8ACBA614E9B%40tomforb.es.
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