I'm not debating, since nobody has something to say. I'm explaining, why things that you are doing are embarrassing.
I hoping that wikipedia will be not that populistic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitelisting On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 5:32:58 PM UTC+3, Adam Johnson wrote: > > Alexander, it's not really up for debate any more. We've already merged > the PR's to Django. > > On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 13:51, Alexander Lyabah <a.l...@checkio.org > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> let's not change the subject >> >> we are not talking about black and white, we are talking about whitelist >> / blacklist and master / slave. Those statements have a big history in >> programming, which has nothing to do with slavery at all. >> >> Don't mix words with meaning and senses. >> >> ... It is important to understand when you make changes like this. ... >> words and meaning >> >> I've never seen anyone who is by doing 'git checkout master', think about >> white race superior. - It is because master has a different meaning, >> different sense, which is nothing to do with slavery, and fight for freedom. >> >> I've never seen anyone who is by playing white in Go-game, think about >> white race superior. (Even though by Go-rules white gets +7.5 points >> against Black at the beginning of the game) - it is because white has >> different meaning and different sense, and it is nothing to do with >> slavery, and fight for freedom (it is because blacks move first). >> >> You have power here to do what ever you want to do in this framework. I >> what you to use common sense and don't follow the rules dictated by >> news-channels and big corporations. I want rules, you follow, being strong >> and independent from what is going on around. In that case you don't need >> to split community after next big news. >> >> Thank you, with all respect. >> >> On Friday, June 19, 2020 at 4:18:04 PM UTC+3, Tom Forbes wrote: >>> >>> As an international framework I think we should make our interface as >>> language and culturally agnostic as possible. ‘Allow’ and ‘Deny’ are simply >>> semantically clearer than ‘white’ and ‘black’. That alone is a convincing >>> argument for me. >>> >>> On 19 Jun 2020, at 13:55, Alexander Lyabah <a.l...@checkio.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Django in international framework, not US-framework. You should not >>> change variable names just because meaning of some words have been changed >>> in US recently. Those words have been used in source-code for years, and >>> nobody put racism in those word when this framework was founded and nobody >>> puts any racism in when one is using for creation something big and >>> meaningful. >>> >>> What I'm encourage you to do, is to thing farther than what is going on >>> right now. >>> >>> If Django Foundation really want to help in this revolution - add a >>> banner on that landing page. Feel free to choose >>> >>> https://eji.org/ >>> https://org2.salsalabs.com/o/6857/p/salsa/donation/common/public/ >>> >>> And this kind of contribution will work much better. >>> >>> Thank you, for this opportunity to share my opinion. >>> >>> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 7:28:23 PM UTC+3, Tom Carrick wrote: >>>> >>>> This ticket was closed wontfix >>>> <https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/31670#ticket> as requiring a >>>> discussion here. >>>> >>>> David Smith mentioned this Tox issue >>>> <https://github.com/tox-dev/tox/issues/1491> stating it had been >>>> closed, but to me it seems like it hasn't been closed (maybe there's >>>> something I can't see) and apparently a PR would be accepted to add >>>> aliases >>>> at the least (this is more recent than the comment on the Django ticket). >>>> >>>> My impetus to bring this up mostly comes from reading this ZDNet >>>> article >>>> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-to-replace-master-with-alternative-term-to-avoid-slavery-references/> >>>> >>>> - it seems like Google have already made moves in this direction and >>>> GitHub >>>> is also planning to. Usually Django is somewhere near the front for these >>>> types of changes. >>>> >>>> I'm leaning towards renaming the master branch and wherever else we use >>>> that terminology, but I'm less sure about black/whitelist, though right >>>> now >>>> it seems more positive than negative. Most arguments against use some kind >>>> of etymological argument, but I don't think debates about historical terms >>>> are as interesting as how they affect people in the here and now. >>>> >>>> I don't think there is an easy answer here, and I open this can of >>>> worms somewhat reluctantly. I do think Luke is correct that we should be >>>> concerned with our credibility if we wrongly change this, but I'm also >>>> worried about our credibility if we don't. >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to django-d...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/1c9178a3-cb80-428c-bacb-e8904695f6b6o%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/1c9178a3-cb80-428c-bacb-e8904695f6b6o%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to django-d...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/19a78e27-7d1d-4f0b-a2af-8a9594aa620fo%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/19a78e27-7d1d-4f0b-a2af-8a9594aa620fo%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > Adam > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers (Contributions to Django itself)" group. 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