My read of RFC 4408 is that the limit excludes the initial txt record lookup, 
and that
the limit on includes is separate from the limit on "a" and "ptr" lookups.

--Bryan Costales
  http://www.bcx.com

  >------------
  > Quoting Terry Zink <[email protected]>
  > Subject: Re: [dmarc-discuss] microsoft.com invalid spf
  >------------
  > I can help fix this.
  > 
  > -- Terry
  > 
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Levine
  > Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:06 PM
  > To: [email protected]
  > Subject: Re: [dmarc-discuss] microsoft.com invalid spf
  > 
  > >>The SPF record described in that page bears no resemblance I can see 
  > >>to the actual one you find if you do a dig.
  > >
  > >I didn't check if it matched, but the one I got was permerror due too many 
DNS lookups. 
  > 
  > It's different, but I counted the lookups and you're right, it's at least 
11.
  > 
  > R's,
  > John
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