On May 2, 2014, at 8:29 PM, John R Levine <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Actually, #6 works too. Stop breaking DKIM signatures as the messages 
>> transit your
>> list and you are now 100% DMARC compatible. In May of 2013 I did this on my 
>> email
>> lists:
> 
> Really, we've been through this before.

"We" is not static. Many members of this list are new subscribers (thanks Yahoo 
& AOL). They haven't been through this before.

> Subject tags, message headers, and all of
> the other stuff that lists do to messages is useful.  If it weren't, people 
> wouldn't
> have written the code to do it.

Who said those features aren't useful?  It's possible that there are other 
considerations that might be more important than those features, such as 
deliverability of messages while waiting for a vendors to release patches for 
their mailing list. 

Besides, you've said all that before. You shouldn't feign surprise about 
someone else repeating two sentences before you do it.

> Asserting that we can get along with it is unhelpful.

...to John Levine.  Therefore, nobody else could possibly benefit from hearing 
about a solution that's not endorsed by Mr. John Levine. 

> PS: If you want your signed mail to fly through lists with signatures intact, 
> use S/MIME.  Works great, doesn't require removing any useful features.

Really, we've been through this before.

Matt
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