> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmarc [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J. Gomez
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:47 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)
> 
> On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 4:59 PM [GMT+1=CET], Anne Bennett wrote:
> 
> > > In practical and operational terms, the point of all this is to
> > > allow filtering engines to make better decisions about
> > > possibly-spoofed mail.
> >
> > ... and again, if those decisions result merely in rejecting a
> > message, the user isn't involved, but as soon as those decisions can
> > result in tagging a message for possible consideration by the user
> > (probably via different display by the UI), we can't ignore the user.
> >
> > I agree that this isn't the place to delve deeply into user behaviour
> > and UI design.  But we shouldn't ignore the context of our work.
> 
> +1
> 
> Email is for the users. p=quarantine is a USER PROBLEM.
> 

No, p=quarantine is a problem WE cause. All these experts and algorithms can't 
figure it out so we toss it in quarantine/junk/spam folder and then tell the 
user to figure it out. WE cause the problem. A person who used to be active in 
the email space once told me that the extent to which messages are placed in 
quarantine/junk/spam folders is a reflection of how well or poorly the systems 
evaluating the mail work. If it works really well then nothing should end up in 
quarantine/junk/spam folders.

Mike

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