On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Brandon Long <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy <[email protected]
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> What benefit is there to covering AAR with both the AMS and the AS?  It
>>> seems to me the AMS is much cleaner (in the sense of ARC being a layer atop
>>> DKIM) if it is purely a renamed DKIM signature with an instance number.
>>>
>>> Put another way, the apparent intent here is to require that things be
>>> generated in a specific order (AAR, then AMS, then AS) but it seems to me
>>> there's no obvious benefit to imposing that constraint given that AS is
>>> supposed to cover everything anyway.
>>>
>>
> Ignoring your DKIM bit, I can also see how this could be extended to think
> about the oddness that having two signatures and whether the keys need to
> match between AS/AMS.
>
> One could imagine that the AMS was just a hash, and it would be a single
> signature in the AS which covers it.  That's obviously more different than
> DKIM, but reduces the size of the headers and makes a single point of
> ownership.
>

Indeed, AS could sign (a) a locally-generated DKIM signature, with an
instance tag (since DKIM validators ignore tags they don't know), plus (b)
the current and all previous AAR/AS fields.

-MSK
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