*   The working group should, in the short term, focus on development and 
completion of draft-ietf-dmarc-psd.  Among the questions to be answered is its 
urgency

I’m certainly keen to see that progressed. As we’ve rolled out DMARC across 
gov.uk subdomains, we’ve seen criminal behaviours change in response. Some of 
you may recall we asked for help a while ago for ideas in generating SPF/DMARC 
records for non-existent subdomains. Well, that’s running and we answered 
430,000 queries for them between August and November last year (more current 
data coming). We do know that the effect of synthesising these records means 
that some receivers don’t honour them, so getting a more acceptable way of 
controlling subdomains of a PSD would be good. As we push for wider DMARC 
adoption and other authentication measures, we’ll need to do this much more 
widely so it needs to be easy.

I’ll also offer gov.uk as an experimental ground (within reason!).

Ta.

I.

--
Dr Ian Levy
Technical Director
National Cyber Security Centre
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Staff Officer : Kate Atkins, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>

(I work stupid hours and weird times – that doesn’t mean you have to. If this 
arrives outside your normal working hours, don’t feel compelled to respond 
immediately!)

From: dmarc <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Murray S. Kucherawy
Sent: 26 March 2019 16:58
To: IETF DMARC WG <[email protected]>
Subject: [dmarc-ietf] Working group next steps

DMARC colleagues,

Tim and I met in Prague to get things rolling in terms of getting us 
progressing again toward our remaining deliverables.

Producing a DMARC on the standards track is the endgame for us.  We're keen to 
identify and focus on work that is in direct service of that goal; anything 
else can be parked for now and we can return to it once the main work is done, 
assuming we still have the energy to do it.  Accordingly, we propose to 
formally park draft-ietf-dmarc-arc-multi and draft-ietf-dmarc-arc-usage.
Augu
The working group should, in the short term, focus on development and 
completion of draft-ietf-dmarc-psd.  Among the questions to be answered is its 
urgency: If there is pressure to get this finished and published in some form, 
we suggest the WG consider moving this to Experimental status, aligning it with 
the ARC base work, and come back around to merge it into DMARC when it goes to 
the Standards Track.

Toward the goal of getting to the work on the standards track base 
specification, we should start collecting issues, from nits on up to things 
that need overhaul, in the WG's tracker.  We would like this list to be as 
exhaustive as possible.  When we do finally get to the work of standards track 
DMARC, we can run it like a checklist.  Please take some time to go over the 
list that's already in the tracker, and add anything you think is missing:

https://trac.ietf..org/trac/dmarc/report<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftrac.ietf.org%2Ftrac%2Fdmarc%2Freport&data=02%7C01%7Cian.levy%40ncsc.gov.uk%7C062a4b0ea11b44be6b4f08d6b20c5478%7C14aa5744ece1474ea2d734f46dda64a1%7C0%7C0%7C636892163368482447&sdata=5s9qVmp3DTBTZnZaKftSGOd6En%2FSTPnp9Rjeo58fHPo%3D&reserved=0>
You may need a login credential if you haven't already established one.  This 
can be done via the IETF datatracker: 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/<https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cian.levy%40ncsc.gov.uk%7C062a4b0ea11b44be6b4f08d6b20c5478%7C14aa5744ece1474ea2d734f46dda64a1%7C0%7C0%7C636892163368482447&sdata=JAscZ7qbZcoTHqq2rlKy8k0AQ7RkGNNdbUcdkcn4xTk%3D&reserved=0>

Previously (at IETF 99), the WG has discussed an augmentation of DMARC's 
reporting capabilities to include attributes of ARC evaluation of a message.  
It's been suggested that this is a critical thing to include in the ARC 
experiment and thus input to standards track DMARC work; it was left out of 
ARC's base document to keep ARC decoupled from DMARC for now.  If consensus 
concurs with this position, we're looking for document editor(s) to spin up 
that effort.  The chairs are, however, cognizant that each new work item we 
take up has the effect of pushing standards track DMARC further down the road, 
so we would like to keep this sort of thing to a minimum.
Finally, there have been some hallway inquiries here at IETF 104 about 
canonicalizations that can survive mailing list transit.  I thought it worth 
checking with the WG to see if there's any energy or interest in revisiting 
this kind of work; it does fit within our charter, but previously attempts at 
this kind of work have waned.

We look forward to hearing your views on any or all of the above.  We can start 
by having everyone begin logging their open DMARC specification issues into the 
tracker, and ask that everyone please review and comment on the PSD draft and 
provide comments.  In particular, anyone that has implemented it is 
particularly requested to comment (including Scott, since we imagine he's tried 
this by now).

-MSK


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