Thanks Scott.  _dmarc.police.uk doesn't seem to have the 'np' tag.

There are a number of domains with policies that have 'p=quarantine|reject
sp=none' - it would be good to see if 'np=reject' is added to any.

tim



On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:50 PM Scott Kitterman <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 5:44:46 PM EST Barry Leiba wrote:
> > > Scott,  I have many problems with your response.   Was it intended as
> an
> > > ad hominem? It certainly came across that way.
> >
> > It doesn't seem even remotely so to me.  Please be careful with
> > attributing intent.  No one tried to say that we shouldn't listen to
> > you.
> >
> > > If the NP objective can be stated in a sentence or two, you should have
> > > done so, instead of telling me to read years of archive.  An objective
> > > that cannot be explained tersely is not sufficiently defined.
> >
> > It *is* reasonable to expect you to review earlier discussions, rather
> > than to ask the working group to revisit them without a sense of how
> > you're adding new information.
>
> Thanks.  Yes, that was my intent.
>
> To give a short summary, in the interests of moving forward:
>
> The domain owner publishing the DMARC record knows and controls what
> exists
> and what doesn't.  They don't have to guess.  The question was,
> particularly
> in the context of PSD, but not exclusively, would record publishers find
> it
> useful to be able to publish a different (and presumably more strict)
> policy
> for non-existent domains.  More p=reject equals more bad stuff not getting
> delivered.
>
> I think we can say it's an pretty unqualified yes in the PSD realm:
>
> $ dig +short txt _dmarc.gov
> "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=none; np=reject; rua=mailto:
> [email protected]"
>
> $ dig +short txt _dmarc.mil
> "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=none; np=reject; rua=mailto:[email protected]
> "
>
> $ dig +short txt _dmarc.gov.uk
> "v=DMARC1;p=reject;sp=none;np=reject;adkim=s;aspf=s;fo=1;rua=mailto:dmarc-
> [email protected]"
>
> $ dig +short txt _dmarc.police.uk
> "v=DMARC1;p=none;sp=none;adkim=s;aspf=s;fo=1;rua=mailto:dmarc-
> [email protected];ruf=mailto:[email protected]";
>
> All of the current PSDs that have published records with any policy other
> than
> none have different sp= and np= policies.
>
> Scott K
>
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