Okay. I didn't mention the fence as an endorsement of his personality or politics. Not sure why that's relevant.
Generally, I think arguing that something is wrong and should be changed without understanding why it's the way it is isn't a great way to go. Scott K On December 18, 2021 5:50:52 PM UTC, Phillip Hallam-Baker <[email protected]> wrote: >Anyone raising 'Chesterton's Fence' sets my teeth on edge. > >There is a longstanding field of political engagement called Agenda Denial >that deals with winning arguments they cannot possibly win by making sure >the argument is never made. > >It is never the right time, and never will be. > >There will always be something that must be done first. > >The people raising the issue have raised it in the wrong way. > >The issue needs more study. > >G. K. Chesterton was a rather unpleasant chap. Like most of the English >establishment of the time, his goal was to avoid sharing any of the wealth >of Empire with the undeserving masses who created/looted it. > >I strongly caution against anyone attempting to raise his standard in a >technical discussion. > > >On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 7:01 PM Scott Kitterman <[email protected]> >wrote: > >> >> >> On December 17, 2021 11:26:38 PM UTC, Douglas Foster < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> .. >> >A year after raising my concerns, I am still trying to get a collaborative >> >discussion started about what the optimal test looks like. In a >> >collaborative discussion, those who are happy with the status quo convince >> >the skeptics to come on board, listen to their concerns, acknowledge them, >> >and do what they can to accommodate those concerns so that consensus can >> be >> >achieved. I am willing to be convinced, but I am skeptical and I am >> >looking for some collaboration. >> > >> It may be that this is a cultural issue then. In the IETF, where there is >> an established consensus (rough or not), the burden is on those seeking to >> overturn the consensus to convince people. If you think about it, if a >> working group were obligated to rehash things whenever new people show up, >> it would be difficult to accomplish anything in an open environment where >> new people can show up anytime. >> >> I suspect you might have more luck if you first consulted Chesterton's >> Fence. I think you'd have more luck with questions about why things are >> the way they are than immediate assertions that they are wrong. >> >> Scott K >> >> P.S. At least as I understand it. I'm relatively new too. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dmarc mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc >> _______________________________________________ dmarc mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc
