Dave, > 2. Your 'for the sake of' is uncalled for and dismissive. Please stop > doing that. Attempts to be dismissive are a popular debating > technique in the IETF, but they are counter-productive, as well as > unprofessional.
Two things here: First, please do not admonish participants for their behaviour: that's for the chairs to do, and you should feel free to call things out to us privately. It's too easy for discussions to degenerate when we move them away from the technical arguments. Second, the chairs don't find Scott's comment to be at all dismissive, as the "for the sake of" sentence needs to be taken in the context of the subsequent sentence that explains that Scott doesn't think you've given a suitable rationale for the proposed change. Rather, you are demanding justifications such as hard data to support opinions... the sort of hard data that you, yourself are not providing to support your own opinions. We see *that* as being dismissive and unhelpful in progressing the discussion. > 1. For this topic, they are irrelevant. There is nothing in the > charter that says terminology must be preserved. Interoperability is > not endangered by changes in terminology. My opinion is that interoperability might well be endangered by changes in terminology, if it results in older and newer implementations differing in how they handle things based on those differences in terminology. To the point at hand, though, that opinion seems to be what Scott and John are also raising, and which you are dismissing. Everyone, The chairs need the working group to move this discussion toward resolution, which will require that we directly address each others' points rather than relying on rhetoric aimed at keeping others in defensive positions. We all know how to move discussions forward productively: listening to arguments and doing our best to understand and respond to them, asking and responding to questions that seek clarity, and accepting reasonable disagreements. So let's all please focus on that. Barry and Seth _______________________________________________ dmarc mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc
