I believe, with you, that there's likely to be a time when
unauthenticated mail simply will not be delivered by most receiving
domains.  I similarly believe (as the owner of a Tesla) that there
will be a time when cars will be self-driving in the vast majority,
and that that will make the roads both safer and more efficient.

Neither of those situations is here yet, though, and neither is likely
to arrive very soon.  Some day, yes.  Not yet, and not soon.

While we can certainly discuss the former -- particularly with a focus
on what needs to happen before that situation can be realised -- we
need to first make sure that we resolve the few remaining issues in
the DMARCbis and reporting documents and get them published.

Barry

On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 6:56 AM Douglas Foster
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Yes, I suspected awhile back that I was the only one in the world 
> implementing mandatory authentication.   This group has confirmed it.
>
> But I hold out hope thst others will see the opportunity that it provides.  
> Perhaps someone will read my Best Practices draft and sponsor it as an 
> individual contribution or experimental draft.
>
> Doug
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023, 9:26 AM Barry Leiba <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Content filtering creates a need for whitelisting
>> > Any domain may require whitelisting, regardless of sender policy.
>> > Whitelisting is only safe if it is coupled with an authentication 
>> > mechanism which prevents impersonation.
>> > Therefore, sender authentication, by a combination of local policy and 
>> > sender policy, needs to be defined for all possible messages.
>>
>> The last statement there is where things go off the rails.  No,
>> nothing has to work perfectly here, and mechanisms are useful and can
>> well be standardized even when they don't work in "all possible"
>> situations.
>>
>> It's really important that we stop insisting on perfection or nothing,
>> as that's a false dichotomy.  What we have now is demonstrably useful
>> as *part of* an overall system.  We need to move forward with
>> finishing the document.
>>
>> Barry
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