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In message <[email protected]
il.com>, Douglas Foster <[email protected]> writes

>Richard, you miss my point.  I know what RFC 7208 says to do with null
>sender, but we rightly ignore it for DMARC purposes.

I think you should go back to RFC7208, specifically #2.4 where it
specifically says that when the RFC5321 MAIL FROM string is null (as in
bounce messages) then the "MAIL FROM" identity is defined to be
postmaster@ the domain in the RFC55321 EHLO/HELO command

The current DMARCbis document is clear that the HELO identity is to be
ignored... it might be useful to paraphrase #2.4 but I can see the
argument for avoiding confusion if the paraphrase was subtly different

>SPF Helo is one of at least 5 ways to validate the HELO name.

This is not a question of validation, DMARC is all about alignment

You will need to say EHLO with a domain name that aligns with the From:
if you cannot manage that then DKIM is your only way to get your bounce
message to have a DMARC pass

- -- 
richard                                                  Richard Clayton

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a        Benjamin
little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.    Franklin

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