Normalising will reduce accuracy. Any gain change is a multiplication.
Multiply a 16 bit number and you'll get a result which requires more
than 16 bits to remain accurate.

This loss of accuracy results in distortion of low level 'components' of
a sound, not just low level sounds. This manifests itself as a loss of
spaciousness, and clarity.

Al

-----Original Message-----
From: Jurgen Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 26 February 2002 19:38
To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List
Subject: [dnb-prod] Re: volume


Rounding errors?
How are those a problem?

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On 26 Feb 2002 at 2:09, alpher wrote:

> You should avoid normalization if possible. It may cause rounding
errors
> which can be a problem.
> 
> You need to compress to increase the loudness of your tracks. I don't
> think it has much to do with CD-Rs.
> 
> al
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ashlin, Mark MP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: 26 February 2002 01:50
> To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List
> Subject: [dnb-prod] Re: volume
> 
> Like you say, I usually record dj mixes in to Forge and Wavelab on the
> PC at around -4db. Then I just run a normalise over the entire file
(an
> hour dj set takes a while if you don't do things like disable undo
> temporarilly)... Well the point is i've read ppl mention this can be
not
> be a good idea as it digitally reprocesses the entire mix and can end
up
> fukin up things like the eq and compression in the track....(only
> slightly)...I don't ever notice much distortion of the track, it just
> gets louder, but then I dont spend my life in a studio as much as ide
> like to so i don't have a clinnical ear. Is it just not something to
> worry about or can doing this to mixes end up being noticed by studios
> and their 'clinical ears'???  Should us bedroom bangers even worry
bout
> this?
> Another point is that I've noticed my friends saying they find the
> volume of my mixes and tracks I give them on CD are considerably
quieter
> than commercial presses. I have heard this is due to the fact that
> CD'R's burn into a pigment in the cd so there is not as much dynamic
> ability (what the fuck is that?) ...does everyone else find this or am
i
> in Tumbleweed weed land on this one?
> Oh...and has anyone noticed that on one of the later released Seimens
> cell phones, the callender  went straight from 30th December 2001, to
> 1st Jan 2002 ??? Good way to save money on your bill! 
> 8p   
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: - "KRIS" - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 7:37 AM 
> To: Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List 
> Subject: [dnb-prod] Re: volume 
> 
> You want to stay away from 0db when recording digitally. When
recording 
> analog, you want a average reading of 0db. Not really a problem to go
> over 
> 0db a few times on an analog tape machine, but digital clipping is
> something 
> you want to stay away from. If your recording on your computer, try
for
> an 
> average reading of -4 or -6db. Since digital recording doesnt add as
> much 
> noise as analog, you can get away with recording softer, and boosting
> the 
> signal later without too much noise being added. Im not sure if any of
> you 
> use digital clipping as an effect on your drums or anything, but its a

> pretty nasty sound if your going for a "clean" recording. So yea,
going
> over 
> 0db in the digital realm is clipping. Just something to get this topic

> rolling.... 
> 
> Kris 
> 
> >From: "Jurgen Baute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >Reply-To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List" 
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >To: "Drum & Bass Arena Discussion List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >Subject: [dnb-prod] volume 
> >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:55:00 +0100 
> > 
> > 
> >Okay, 
> >since volume seems to be getting an issue lately while I produce
(read:
> 
> >clipping), I'd 
> >like to know a bit more about it. 
> > 
> >How does the db count work for instance, 0db seems to be what you
have
> to 
> >aim for (I 
> >always though that was silence), and going over it means clipping (?)

> > 
> >Links, tips or comments are appreciated. 
> > 
> >thanx, 
> >Jurgen. 
> > 
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