No need to apologise, but I do if it sounded like I was giving you a dressing-down. I just want to make sure that if we decide to toss out code that it is tossed for a good reason. I hope you have the best of New Year's as well.

On 12/26/2014 12:03 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
You're absolutely right!! I'm sorry... And I got it... Happy new year!!

On 26 December 2014 at 15:58, T.J. Duchene <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:


    On 12/25/2014 9:15 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
    Can you guys believe this:

    A Desktop with 6G of RAM running Ubuntu 14.10 with systemd +
    pulseaudio:


USER PID %CPU *_%MEM_* VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
    userzyx   25830   0.3 *_75.0_*  6171772 4487884 ?     S<l  Dez16
     46:11 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog


    Pulseaudio is consuming *_75% of my RAM MEMORY!!!_* WTF IS THIS
    THING??!!! And I'm not playing a single music!

    Let's play devil's advocate for just a moment. Don't misunderstand
    me.  I'm all for hating crappy code, but let's hate with good
    reason and precision.


    Why are you comparing metrics on an unstable version of the OS?
    Ubuntu clearly states that the non-LTS releases are intended for
    developers and early adopters only.  You will have bugs when you
    use a version of the OS that isn't properly vetted and released
    every 6 months, come what may.  The cause of this issue could be
    anything, including the underlying ALSA stack, or a library that
    PA is linked to, maybe even memory pages requested by your DE
    interface to PA.  Do you have actual evidence that PA is the real
    culprit, say a stack trace?

    I remember at least one case of where I traced audio problems, not
    to PA, but a bad codec used by gstreamer.


    I still do not believe that Debian was taken over by the shit
    that come out of Lennart / RedHat (sorry about the bad words).
    And the Linux community will put almost all the eggs into the
    systemd basket!! For God's sake, what a fuck is wrong with those
    people??? Well, I really don't care anymore, we have Devuan! YAY!
       ^_^

    Before you blame Poettering or RedHat you should make sure that
    they are actually to blame for your problem.  To my knowledge,
    Poettering doesn't work on PA as much these days.



    I was trusting my professional life on Debian team and now, this
    crap... The good of open source is that we have the power to make
    forks... Whew!
    Ubuntu is not Debian.  Not by a long shot.  Ubuntu is a version of
    Debian Unstable, which should never be used on serious work.



    Lets include apulse and also, jackd. And _kick_ pulseaudio
    alongside with systemd.

    Honestly, I don't even care anymore about systemd, neither as an
    option, it is impossible to trust on this thing, because of
    Lennart past projects (and obvious, because of systemd terrible /
    creepy architecture). I still open to uselessd + new udev, if it
    make easier to keep compatibility with upstream Debian while we
    need to keep syncing with it. Also, I like the idea of CGroup
    Process, if uselessd can achieve that (i.e, control/isolate
    process using Linux CGroups), then, it is a great thing! There
    are space for a new Init System and systemd is NOT it.

    Dropping code because of the dislike one person without making
    sure that you can build your entire tree first without it, is not
    a sensible thing to do.  It is not in the best interests of users.


    Happy new year!   :-)

    Likewise!

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