I agree with Martijn Dekkers. There is a time for every event under heaven. Now is the time to deploy a reasonably working OS, to gain us credibility and more developers. Later is the time to determine our governance.
SteveT On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:53:22 +0200 Martijn Dekkers <[email protected]> wrote: > My personal opinion is that right now, working code and a deployable, > reviewable distro will do significantly more for the furtherance of > the project than any kind of policy statement. > > On 13 March 2015 at 18:56, T.J. Duchene <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you, Jaromil, I appreciate the specific mention. > > > > My purpose for replying though has little to do with gratitude. > > While I understand that getting Devuan "off the ground" is the > > absolute priority, I do believe that most of us are not personally > > acquainted with D-Cent or how it specifically applies to Devuan's > > situation. I think that it would be very advantageous that a > > temporary statement be issued by the VUA outlining a temporary > > governance of the project, with a more firm framework to be > > established at a later date. It will settle a lot of questions > > that people presently have, as well as preventing the diverting of > > attention away from the work when new people arrive asking > > questions. > > > > It does not have to be something as extensive or nor as permanent as > > Debian's Constitution or Social Contract. Just a one page > > statement would do, and would probably go far in answering a lot of > > uncertainty. It would also begin legitimizing Devuan to the > > general public, who might be looking for some solid idea as to how > > far Devuan has progressed. A lot of the VUA chatter on the list is > > fairly pedestrian. > > > > I realize that it really is not something that anyone really wants > > to do - I'm sure you would rather be coding - but sometimes those > > sort of gestures are important to others. > > > > > > Thanks > > t.j. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jaromil [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:46 AM > > To: T.J. Duchene > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Dng] Devuan governance > > > > > > dear T.J. and others, > > > > thanks for this thread, I think most of us and the VUAs find > > consensus with the general principles that T.J and others have > > stated, also regarding the pitfalls of majority voting. > > > > Dyne.org is professionally involved as a research organization in > > this EU funded project http://d-centproject.eu (FP7/CAPS 610349) > > focusing on large pilots that also include emerging political > > parties engaging in direct democracy and open rating systems for > > reputation and trust. > > > > In the resources section of D-CENT you will also find extensive > > literature we have already produced on theoretical and technical > > frameworks that can be adopted in various situations to facilitate > > "decentralized citizen engagement" and in general participation > > beyond the canonical framework of XX century democracy as we know > > it. > > > > I believe the D-CENT project offers solid grounds for innovating > > governance also in large GNU/Linux distributions as we hope Devuan > > will be one day. At the very least I hope it will offer > > experimental grounds that everyone involved will be able to engage, > > comment upon and adapt since all results are licensed as free and > > open source. > > > > As Dyne.org continued involvement in Devuan is naturally following, > > I'm confident we will adopt the tangible results of D-CENT in > > Devuan, for instance to provide well accessible tools for drafting > > and deciding on policies. > > > > Right now we obviously have other priorities, but this discussion > > certainly look at some common direction we will take after the 1.0 > > release. Ultimately I believe that the literature produced by > > D-CENT and the mature tones of this discussion are even more solid > > than a declared "manifesto" or "constitution" at this stage. > > > > ciao > > > > > > -- > > Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) We are free to > > share code and we code to share freedom > > Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf > > GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 Confidential > > communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dng mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > SteveT Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list [email protected] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
