On Mon 06 April 2015 10:06:49 KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 11:46:45AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > > > What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just > > > continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork specifically > > > born to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be able to convince > > > us that systemd is *good* and *beautiful* and *necessary*? I don't > > > want to be saved, thanks ;) > > > > Looks to me like he isn't arguing for systemd, but he is just discussing > > systems designs and implementation. Also looks to me like he is simply > > keeping an open mind, and not getting swept away in hate either way.... > > ...while I am getting swept away in hate? :) I admit I like very much > your point about some of the systemd-nonsense tolls being potentially > useful and interesting. > > What I don't like is that fact that these interesting bits are just > part of a monolithic, messy, obscure, hard-to-maintain and hard-to-use > spaghetti-implementation that openly targets at managing the whole > system. And (call me paranoid) I don't like the fact that the > development of the systemd-nonsense is effectively led by RedHat, who > has a lot of interest in having "one ring to rule them all", and is > managed by people who answer "troll" and "wontfix" to questions and > bug reports, in line with the worst commercial-Unix policies of the > late eighties. We have been freed once from such nonsense, so why > should we come back? > > IMHO, there is no wonderful bag of technical novelties which can > justify a flawed design, incarnated in a flawed implementation, > pursued for flawed aims by a bunch of people who effectively act and > behave like they have the right answer for everithing, while the rest > is just garbage. Call this "hate" if this let you feel any better :) > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ
Please by all means avoid "friendly fire" towards shots you hear in front of you - it's not the enemy, it's just your peers, we're all looking (and fighting) same direction. BR /j
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