> > Looks to me like he isn't arguing for systemd, but he is just discussing > > systems designs and implementation. Also looks to me like he is simply > > keeping an open mind, and not getting swept away in hate either way.... > > ...while I am getting swept away in hate? :) I admit I like very much > your point about some of the systemd-nonsense tolls being potentially > useful and interesting. >
ufff, seriously? Nobody is getting "swept away with hate", what I meant was that the rhetoric against systemd gets cranked up so high at times that it feels not possible to have a normal, levelheaded, unemotional discussion. I enjoy reading TJ's dispatches - he clearly is a seasoned, experienced professional, and his perspectives are worth considering. > What I don't like is that fact that these interesting bits are just > part of a monolithic, messy, obscure, hard-to-maintain and hard-to-use > spaghetti-implementation that openly targets at managing the whole > system. And (call me paranoid) I don't like the fact that the > development of the systemd-nonsense is effectively led by RedHat, who > has a lot of interest in having "one ring to rule them all", and is > managed by people who answer "troll" and "wontfix" to questions and > bug reports, in line with the worst commercial-Unix policies of the > late eighties. We have been freed once from such nonsense, so why > should we come back? > Yeah, we are all contributing in Devuan in some form or another because we don't like systemd for whatever reason. > IMHO, there is no wonderful bag of technical novelties which can > justify a flawed design, incarnated in a flawed implementation, > pursued for flawed aims by a bunch of people who effectively act and > behave like they have the right answer for everithing, while the rest > is just garbage. Call this "hate" if this let you feel any better :) > There is a debating technique called "The Steel Man" - it is very useful and effective. If anything, this is what I see TJ doing more than anything else.
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